Linguistic Trigonometry
04-17-2019, 10:29 AM
Post: #1
 DrD Senior Member Posts: 1,072 Joined: Feb 2014
Linguistic Trigonometry
When speaking of arc functions, such as ASIN, ACOS, ATAN, IF it is better to say, "inverse sin, inverse cos, inverse tan; THEN why?"

-Dale-
04-17-2019, 10:32 PM (This post was last modified: 04-18-2019 04:30 PM by cdmackay.)
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 cdmackay Member Posts: 271 Joined: Sep 2018
RE: Linguistic Trigonometry
(04-17-2019 10:29 AM)DrD Wrote:  When speaking of arc functions, such as ASIN, ACOS, ATAN, IF it is better to say, "inverse sin, inverse cos, inverse tan; THEN why?"

-Dale-

At school, here in the UK in the 80s, we were taught inverse. Indeed we all were told (and they still are) to get Casio calculators (e.g. fx-80) and they had $$\sin^{-1}$$ printed above the keys. As to why: it was unthinking, being [sort of] the inverse of the sin function.

A more graphical intuition would have been nice, but I don't recall it being taught, nor the reason for the arc reference.

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04-17-2019, 10:41 PM
Post: #3 ijabbott Senior Member Posts: 552 Joined: Jul 2015
RE: Linguistic Trigonometry
I was always confused (not really, but I found it inconsistent), that $$\sin^{-1}(x)$$ denoted $$\rm{asin(}x)$$, but $$\sin^2(x)$$ denoted $$(\sin(x))^2$$.

— Ian Abbott
04-18-2019, 03:21 AM
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 Wes Loewer Member Posts: 132 Joined: Jan 2014
RE: Linguistic Trigonometry
(04-17-2019 10:41 PM)ijabbott Wrote:  I was always confused (not really, but I found it inconsistent), that $$\sin^{-1}(x)$$ denoted $$\rm{asin(}x)$$, but $$\sin^2(x)$$ denoted $$(\sin(x))^2$$.

The American textbook that I currently use to teach Precalculus uses both $$\sin^{-1}(x)$$ and $$\rm{arcsin(}x)$$, but mostly $$\sin^{-1}(x)$$. When I was a student, our textbook also defined $$\rm{Sin^{-1}(x)}$$ as the inverse function (range from -pi/2 to pi/2) and $$\sin^{-1}(x)$$ as the inverse relation of $$\sin(x)$$ (range from -infinity to infinity).

When discussing the meaning of $$f^{-1}(x)$$, I always feel like I have to apologize to the students for the confusing notation as $$f^{-1}(x)$$ means inverse but $$f^{2}(x)$$ means $$(f(x))^2$$. I sometimes ask them what $$f^{-2}(x)$$ would mean and then say that I don't know either. It could be the square of the inverse or the square of the reciprocal. What if you wanted the reciprocal of the inverse? :-)

I once had a German student who said that she was taught that $$f^{2}(x) = f(f(x))$$. I thought that was silly until I realized that we use this notation for $$d^2/dx^2 (f(x)) = d/dx(d/dx (f(x)))$$.

This was the same student who introduced me to the (not greater than) symbol (also known as ≤ ).
04-18-2019, 11:57 AM
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 Albert Chan Senior Member Posts: 622 Joined: Jul 2018
RE: Linguistic Trigonometry
(04-18-2019 03:21 AM)Wes Loewer Wrote:  I once had a German student who said that she was taught that $$f^{2}(x) = f(f(x))$$.
I thought that was silly until I realized that we use this notation for $$d^2/dx^2 (f(x)) = d/dx(d/dx (f(x)))$$.

I like the idea ! Think sin as an operator, like D = d/dx

asin sin = 1
asin = sin-1

Valentin cin(x) puzzle, cin(cin(cin(x))) = sin(x)

cin cin cin = sin
cin³ = sin
cin = sin1/3

For calculating accurate cin(x), cin = asinn cin sinn, with big enough n and few Taylor terms of cin
04-19-2019, 04:53 AM
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 parisse Senior Member Posts: 993 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Linguistic Trigonometry
The standard notation in computing is asin/acos/atan. Recent Casio calcs display Asin/Acos/Atan on the keyboard but are still using the confusing sin^-1/etc. notation.
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04-19-2019, 10:24 AM
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 DrD Senior Member Posts: 1,072 Joined: Feb 2014
RE: Linguistic Trigonometry
The first time, (that I remember seeing), arc-functions called inverse functions, (with the -1 exponent), was on early T.I. calcs. During my basic education classes I remember them referred to as, "arcsin, arccos," etc.

Arc notation, where the angle's function value comes from the arc drawn on the unit circle, seemed more natural to "say," rather than "inverse", which seemed more like a reciprocal thing, in general. In higher education, I mostly encountered them as inverse functions, (instead of arc), which sounded sort of peculiar to me. (Math has always been like a foreign language to me, anyway, so it's not too surprising that I would have this sort of 'dialect' reaction, I guess!).

Thank you, all, for the discussion!

-Dale-
04-20-2019, 07:42 AM
Post: #8 Joe Horn Senior Member Posts: 1,451 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Linguistic Trigonometry
I learned the f^-1 notation from the HP-65: <0|ɸ|0>
-Joe-
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