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04-01-2014, 06:37 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2014 06:40 PM by Manolo Sobrino.)
Post: #41
RE: 43s status
(04-01-2014 04:15 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  Aaaaand... here we go! Smile

Thank you! I totally missed that one... Blush
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04-01-2014, 07:29 PM
Post: #42
RE: 43s status
(04-01-2014 06:37 PM)Manolo Sobrino Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 04:15 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  Aaaaand... here we go! Smile

Thank you! I totally missed that one... Blush

You're welcome, Manolo!

Greetings,
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04-01-2014, 09:09 PM
Post: #43
RE: 43s status
I'm all for custom keyboards, myself. So long as the code works, re-arranging the functionality should be an option. Whether that means stick-on labels, or custom 3d moulded keys, depends on the budget of those doing the re-arranging.

Personally, I'd like to see RDN (and R-UP) on the menu down and up arrows. The code to run depends on whether you are in menu mode, or programming / stack entry mode. But that's just me. [smiley face of self-deprecation]
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04-01-2014, 09:43 PM
Post: #44
RE: 43s status
Clearly, what we need is something like this: http://de.mouser.com/new/NKK-Switches/nkk_oled/ :-)
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04-01-2014, 10:08 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2014 10:30 PM by colinh.)
Post: #45
RE: 43s status
Remember these? (posted by Walter in a different thread)

2006: [Image: quixote_.jpg] 2009: [Image: hp43s2l.jpg] Current: [Image: attachment.php?aid=44]

And for anyone that doesn't know, there are some photos of some prototypes here: http://s242.photobucket.com/user/ottosen...e.jpg.html
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04-01-2014, 10:31 PM (This post was last modified: 04-01-2014 10:39 PM by Manolo Sobrino.)
Post: #46
RE: 43s status
(04-01-2014 09:43 PM)colinh Wrote:  Clearly, what we need is something like this: http://de.mouser.com/new/NKK-Switches/nkk_oled/ :-)

I've been thinking about this quite a bit lately. E-ink keycaps would be much better, but that is just a design concept, not an option. Actually if you look at their keycap idea (picture #4) and substitute e-paper for a piece of paper Smile it works all the same and has to be way cheaper. Now, provide a sheet of printed keys, and a keyboard overlay construction set and you're done.
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04-02-2014, 05:30 AM
Post: #47
RE: 43s status
(04-01-2014 10:08 PM)colinh Wrote:  Remember these? (posted by Walter in a different thread)

And for anyone that doesn't know, there are some photos of some prototypes here: http://s242.photobucket.com/user/ottosen...e.jpg.html
I like the 2009 version.
But in "shut up and take my money" form, I'd be just as happy with a variant of the prototype. Print out whatever esoteric layout I want, and slide in the case.

Hey - beats breaking out the old Tamiya / Humbrol / Revell paints for labelling keys.
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04-02-2014, 05:44 AM (This post was last modified: 04-02-2014 05:45 AM by Jonathan Cameron.)
Post: #48
RE: 43s status
(04-01-2014 10:08 PM)colinh Wrote:  Remember these? (posted by Walter in a different thread)

The 'Current' one is growing on me. I am curious what Walter plans to put on the yellow-shifted number keys!

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04-02-2014, 07:23 AM
Post: #49
RE: 43s status
(04-02-2014 05:44 AM)Jonathan Cameron Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 10:08 PM)colinh Wrote:  Remember these? (posted by Walter in a different thread)

The 'Current' one is growing on me. I am curious what Walter plans to put on the yellow-shifted number keys!

Nothing, actually Wink since you will do that. Remember USER mode?

And yes, the 43S has a long history as mentioned here many times.

d:-)
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04-02-2014, 07:35 AM
Post: #50
RE: 43s status
(04-01-2014 09:43 PM)colinh Wrote:  Clearly, what we need is something like this: http://de.mouser.com/new/NKK-Switches/nkk_oled/ :-)

We reserve that concept for the 44S ...

Seriously, did you ever think about costs and sizes? After Xmas is before Xmas, I know, but with that we'd be in a different ballpark.

d:-I
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04-02-2014, 01:19 PM (This post was last modified: 04-02-2014 01:25 PM by everettr.)
Post: #51
RE: 43s status
(04-01-2014 09:43 PM)colinh Wrote:  Clearly, what we need is something like this: http://de.mouser.com/new/NKK-Switches/nkk_oled/ :-)

What about something like Castar?

Castar press kit PDF

The requirements should be more simple than the fully immersive 3D environment, for example:
  • closer working distance, calculator to user's eye
  • retroreflective material only on keycaps or on face plate
  • simulating 2D+ labels, not fully 3D objects
This is no doubt "out there", but it is actually probably less expensive and easier to implement that dozens of tiny OLED displays.
You would have a calculator with blank, retroreflective keys, necessary for proper haptic feedback. Castar would map custom labels onto the key surfaces that you can see. As your veiwpoint changes, Castar dynamically updates the view of the labels.
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04-03-2014, 12:43 AM
Post: #52
RE: 43s status
(04-02-2014 01:19 PM)everettr Wrote:  What about something like Castar?
Sorry, but as a wearer of multi-focals, I'd pass on a system that requires another [different] set of glasses thank you.
I have enough trouble trying to watch 3D movies, mashing the cinema-glasses over my coke-bottle lenses.

The idea of needing to do that, every time I want to use a calculator keypad.... no, thanks.
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04-03-2014, 02:10 AM
Post: #53
RE: 43s status
(04-02-2014 07:35 AM)walter b Wrote:  
(04-01-2014 09:43 PM)colinh Wrote:  Clearly, what we need is something like this: http://de.mouser.com/new/NKK-Switches/nkk_oled/ :-)

We reserve that concept for the 44S ...

Seriously, did you ever think about costs and sizes?
No -- I wasn't being entirely serious. Those keys are enormously clunky and expensive. Might go together well with a nixie tube display though :-)

But those e-ink things mentioned by Manolo look really nice... I think I'm in love with anything e-inky.
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04-03-2014, 02:19 AM
Post: #54
RE: 43s status
(04-02-2014 05:30 AM)sa-penguin Wrote:  I like the 2009 version.

Me too! In terms of not being garish and simply looking good, à la 42S. It even has the simple algebraic functions on the right side...

Quote:But in "shut up and take my money" form, I'd be just as happy with a variant of the prototype. Print out whatever esoteric layout I want, and slide in the case

I think a lot of people would like to get their hands on a prototype :-)
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04-03-2014, 02:39 AM
Post: #55
RE: 43s status
(04-03-2014 02:19 AM)colinh Wrote:  I think a lot of people would like to get their hands on a prototype :-)
Enough to justify a KickStarter drive? [grin]
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04-03-2014, 02:24 PM (This post was last modified: 04-03-2014 02:40 PM by everettr.)
Post: #56
RE: 43s status
(04-03-2014 12:43 AM)sa-penguin Wrote:  Sorry, but as a wearer of multi-focals, I'd pass on a system that requires another [different] set of glasses thank you.
I have enough trouble trying to watch 3D movies, mashing the cinema-glasses over my coke-bottle lenses.

The idea of needing to do that, every time I want to use a calculator keypad.... no, thanks.
Dropping the requirement for stereoscopic vision would mean that you would only need a single micro projector, (without optical shutters) to paint the labels on the calculator, so it just might be a "clip-on" accessory to your current glasses. Of course, this might end up looking like Jean Luc Picard (as Borg). :-)

   
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04-04-2014, 06:25 PM
Post: #57
RE: 43s status
(04-03-2014 02:10 AM)colinh Wrote:  
(04-02-2014 07:35 AM)walter b Wrote:  We reserve that concept for the 44S ...

Seriously, did you ever think about costs and sizes?
No -- I wasn't being entirely serious. Those keys are enormously clunky and expensive. Might go together well with a nixie tube display though :-)

But those e-ink things mentioned by Manolo look really nice... I think I'm in love with anything e-inky.

How about blank keys, and have the entire faceplate (or at least the horizontal strips between keys) be e-ink or oled?
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04-05-2014, 08:47 AM
Post: #58
RE: 43s status
(04-02-2014 07:35 AM)walter b Wrote:  Seriously, did you ever think about costs and sizes?


True.

But whoever designs the case should please keep the overlay-concept of the HP-41 in mind.

It should be possible to print and cut out custom overlays for specific applications from some sturdy material and fix them onto the keyboard without glueing...

[Image: PaperHP-41.JPG]

Looking forward...

a.n.
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04-05-2014, 10:13 AM
Post: #59
Re: Overlay Concept
(04-05-2014 08:47 AM)anetzer Wrote:  ... whoever designs the case should please keep the overlay-concept of the HP-41 in mind.

It should be possible to print and cut out custom overlays for specific applications from some sturdy material and fix them onto the keyboard without glueing...

Thanks for your reminder. That goes to our hardware department. Smile

d:-)
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04-05-2014, 04:58 PM
Post: #60
RE: 43s status
(04-05-2014 10:13 AM)walter b Wrote:  
(04-05-2014 08:47 AM)anetzer Wrote:  ... whoever designs the case should please keep the overlay-concept of the HP-41 in mind.

It should be possible to print and cut out custom overlays for specific applications from some sturdy material and fix them onto the keyboard without glueing...

Thanks for your reminder. That goes to our hardware department. Smile

d:-)

Duly noted by the hardware department. Dealt with in the Laser-cut prototypes.

I will forward the reminder to injection molded case department. :-)
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