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HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #1 Posted by Gerardo Rincon on 14 Apr 2011, 7:29 p.m. The HP 10BII+ available for sell. HP Business Store Does anyone have the electronic manual? Edited: 14 Apr 2011, 7:34 p.m.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #2 Posted by Jake Schwartz on 14 Apr 2011, 7:44 p.m., in response to message #1 by Gerardo Rincon Six days ago, the link was posted: http://hpcalculating.com/HP_10bII+_User_Guide_English_EN_NW239-90001_Edition_1.pdf Jake

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #3 Posted by Gerardo Rincon on 14 Apr 2011, 7:47 p.m., in response to message #2 by Jake Schwartz Great! Thank you!

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #4 Posted by Martin Pinckney on 14 Apr 2011, 11:23 p.m., in response to message #1 by Gerardo Rincon The 10bii+ sells for $40, same as 20b. HP's pricing structure is interesting. The 30b, according to those on here who have used it, is the most capable of all HP's financial models, yet at $50, its half the price of the 17bii+. The 12cp is more than the new super-fast 12c. Probably the 10bii+ was priced both to generate extra profit from excitement over it's release, and to help clear out remaining 10bii's, then the plus will drop down to $30.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #5 Posted by Katie Wasserman on 15 Apr 2011, 12:29 a.m., in response to message #4 by Martin Pinckney The 17bii+ can do many things that the 30b can't do: real time functions, large number of cash flows and statistics, easy to use and powerful algebraic solver and printer output. I think that justifies the much higher price. I'll bet that you're right about the 10bii+ price drop after the 10bii's are gone. -Katie

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #6 Posted by Mike Morrow on 15 Apr 2011, 12:40 a.m., in response to message #5 by Katie Wasserman Quote: ...easy to use and powerful algebraic solver... What's wrong with the SOLVER on the HP 30b?

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #7 Posted by Don Shepherd on 15 Apr 2011, 3:41 a.m., in response to message #6 by Mike Morrow 17b: sq(a)+sq(b)=sq(c) 30b: prgm 0 rcl 1 x2 rcl 2 x2 + rcl 3 x2 - rtn

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #8 Posted by Mike Morrow on 15 Apr 2011, 9:36 a.m., in response to message #7 by Don Shepherd Don, thanks for an excellent illustration. The 17bii+ solver is easier to configure, but in my outlook that doesn't make it more "powerful" than that of the 30b. Unless, of course, there's some class of problem that the 17bii+ handles which the 30b can not.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #9 Posted by Don Shepherd on 15 Apr 2011, 12:44 p.m., in response to message #8 by Mike Morrow Quote: there's some class of problem that the 17bii+ handles which the 30b can not. Mike, I doubt that there is a particular class of problem that the 17bii solver can do that the 30b solver cannot do. The 17b solver has IF and , but the 30b can do that via programming of course. I've just always appreciated solvers that don't make you write programs.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #10 Posted by Bruce Bergman on 16 Apr 2011, 11:17 a.m., in response to message #9 by Don Shepherd The only limit to the number of programs (solve equations) in the 17bii+ is memory. You could have 100, if you wanted. All named, be able to scroll through them, retain variables, etc. On the 30b, you can have 10 programs. Just one difference. There's a reason why the 17bii+ is priced the way it is.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #11 Posted by Mike Morrow on 15 Apr 2011, 12:36 a.m., in response to message #4 by Martin Pinckney Quote: The 30b, according to those on here who have used it, is the most capable of all HP's financial models, yet at $50, its half the price of the 17bii+. AFAIK, about the only thing important that the 17bii+ has and the 30b does not is real-time clock and calendar. Also, there's no IR printer output or beeper tone. I believe that the 30b hardware could have supported the clock function. Maybe there'll be a 30bii out someday that adds the RT clock. For a $10 difference there's not much reason to select the 10bii+ over the 30b. (I know...direct keyboard access to certain functions and all that.) The HP 30b is the first financial calculator that I've ever liked, because it's so useful in areas outside of finance.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #12 Posted by Tim Wessman on 15 Apr 2011, 1:19 a.m., in response to message #11 by Mike Morrow 1. Tests/ease of transition from current teaching materials. 2. Some like the form factor. 3. Familiarity. Anyway, I agree at first glance there doesn't seem to be a place for this one. However, when the current install base and customer is considered (students, school, real estate exams), this will probably have the quickest uptake of any HP unit ever. TW

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #13 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 15 Apr 2011, 9:22 a.m., in response to message #12 by Tim Wessman I wish that program steps were merged better on the 30b. You could use a lot steps finding functions that are well buried in the menus. Edited: 15 Apr 2011, 9:22 a.m.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #14 Posted by Jim Yohe on 15 Apr 2011, 1:24 a.m., in response to message #4 by Martin Pinckney I think I might just wait until it comes down.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #15 Posted by Tim Wessman on 15 Apr 2011, 10:03 a.m., in response to message #14 by Jim Yohe Must have missed the email below. Please send me an email as I can't through the forum (you have your email turned off so I can't message directly). TW

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #16 Posted by Scott Newell on 15 Apr 2011, 10:46 a.m., in response to message #4 by Martin Pinckney Quote: Probably the 10bii+ was priced both to generate extra profit from excitement over it's release, and to help clear out remaining 10bii's, then the plus will drop down to $30. I think you're on to something. I bought three 35S calcs, two of the 20B calcs, and a 12C+ as soon as I could find one. I'll probably buy one of these to play with too, even though I really dislike non-RPN business calcs. At least they changed the part number this time so we don't have to peer through the edge of the packaging to ID the new model by the size of the battery door!

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #17 Posted by Jim Yohe on 15 Apr 2011, 5:05 p.m., in response to message #4 by Martin Pinckney Quote: The 12cp is more than the new super-fast 12c Why is the regular 12c faster than the platinum 12c? Isn't the 12cp more recent and I'd assume using either the same or faster processor? If this was covered earlier in archives please tell me where and I'll read about it there. Thanks.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #18 Posted by Martin Pinckney on 15 Apr 2011, 5:36 p.m., in response to message #17 by Jim Yohe Jim, it's been covered a lot. In a nutshell, HP made a new 12c that uses an ARM processor (whatever that is), that emulates the original 12c code, and runs, maybe 100 times (!) faster than the original 12c. HP never made an announcement, just started shipping the new version and buyers just discovered this on their own. There are a lot of posts about it, just search the archives. Try this or this for starters. Edited: 15 Apr 2011, 5:45 p.m.

Re: HP 10BII+ available for sell Message #19 Posted by Jim Yohe on 20 Apr 2011, 10:28 p.m., in response to message #4 by Martin Pinckney It appears that HP may be preparing for a price reduction. I found this link, http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?product_code=NW239AA%23ABA&aoid=20715&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=NW239AA#ABA showing a $29.99 price. I got to the shopping cart and the only difference was they tacked on shipping because my potential purchase was just about $10 short of where I needed to be for free shipping.

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