VC crash?

02192017, 04:45 PM
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VC crash?
It seems like the coeff() command may only accept expressions with less than three variables. I don't know for sure. It may just be something quirky in my setup, but if you have the time and willingness to test this, I would like to find out if it crashes your Virtual Calc as well. coeff() seems to work fine as long as there are less than four variables in an expression: (You can copy and paste the command lines)
[CAS MODE] L0:={"2x+y+2z","2x+y+2z+w"}; L1:={{x,y,z},{x,y,z,w}}; (VC Works ok) coeff(CAS(L0(1)),L1(1)); (Crashes my VC) coeff(CAS(L0(2)),L1(2)); 

02192017, 06:56 PM
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RE: VC crash?
(02192017 04:45 PM)DrD Wrote: It seems like the coeff() command may only accept expressions with less than three variables. I don't know for sure. It may just be something quirky in my setup, but if you have the time and willingness to test this, I would like to find out if it crashes your Virtual Calc as well. coeff() seems to work fine as long as there are less than four variables in an expression: (You can copy and paste the command lines) No crash on my iPad if that is if interest Cheers, Terje 

02192017, 07:38 PM
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RE: VC crash?
Thanks, Terje. I should have mentioned that I am seeing this VC crash on a windows machine, but your test is still good information!
Dale 

02202017, 03:53 AM
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RE: VC crash?
(02192017 04:45 PM)DrD Wrote: ... I would like to find out if it crashes your Virtual Calc as well.Yes. (win7 x64, VC Build: 2016 12 8. Rev:11226) Geocaching Coords Solver, Number of triangles Puzzle 

02202017, 11:24 AM
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Thanks, Chromos. This problem has been driving me nuts. It seems that on some systems the VC will crash on it, while others don't. I know I could make a workaround routine to do the same thing, but having the built in command is much more convenient. I am trying to identify which systems, so that a bug report would be meaningful. I appreciate that you have taken the time to try it!
Dale 

02202017, 11:39 AM
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RE: VC crash?
Latest Beta crashes the VC on my windows 10 machine.
Arno 

02202017, 12:46 PM
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RE: VC crash?
Great, thanks for the report, Arno. I think I may prematurely conclude that I haven't gone completely nuts!


02202017, 02:11 PM
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RE: VC crash?
dell laptop at work, running windows 7, crashes
older dell laptop at home, also running windows 7, returns [2,1,2,1] road 

02202017, 02:19 PM
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RE: VC crash?
I wonder what causes that difference? I was thinking it might be a win7 issue, but maybe it has to do with the hardware, instead. Video system, etc.
Thanks, Road. 

02202017, 02:54 PM
(This post was last modified: 02212017 03:40 PM by roadrunner.)
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RE: VC crash?
At home (where it works):
win 7, 32 bit VC build 10637 At work (where it doesn't work): win 7, 64 bit VC build 11226 I also have another 64 bit win 7 computer at home, VC build 10637; it works as expected It appears something crept in between build 10637 and 11226. road edited 

02202017, 02:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 02202017 03:00 PM by Han.)
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RE: VC crash?
It may also be helpful to know if each user has existing CAS variables stored on their VC. You can check using the memory browser. Pay attention to any "unnamed" or "mangled" CAS variable names.
Also, check to see if x and y are defined. (If typing x and y into the CAS view returns x and y again, then they are not defined.) Graph 3D  QPI  SolveSys 

03012017, 06:45 AM
(This post was last modified: 03012017 07:51 AM by Terje Vallestad.)
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RE: VC crash?
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03012017, 02:16 PM
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RE: VC crash?
In CAS mode also crash
purge(x,y,z,w); DelHVars({"x", "y", "z","w"}); L0:={2x+y+2z,2x+y+2z+w}; L1:={{x,y,z},{x,y,z,w}}; coeff((L0[2]),L1[2]); Another situation purge(x,y); DelHVars({"x", "y"}); solve(x^2+((3*y/2)√(ABS(x)))^2=2(1/(2*2)),y); [enter] show a warning msg and then does not allow it to close, (screen lock) Happens, setting flag: use i. 

03012017, 03:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 03012017 03:08 PM by Han.)
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Windows 7 Pro, SP 1 (set up for 32bit mode)
1. Open the VC, select Calculator > Reset WARNING: this resets your virtual calculator (obviously)! Back up your state ( Documents folder > HP Prime > Calculators > Prime (or Prime_X ) 2. CAS view: L0:={2x+y+2z,2x+y+2z+w}; L1:={{x,y,z},{x,y,z,w}}; coeff((L0[2]),L1[2]); No errors/problems. Using Rev. 11226 (http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread742...ight=11226) For those who do not want to do a reset, you can use: restart; // deletes all CAS variables (purge is not sufficient if there is CAS corruption) DelHVars({"x", "y", "z", "w"}); // deletes the selected Home variables L0:={2x+y+2z,2x+y+2z+w}; L1:={{x,y,z},{x,y,z,w}}; coeff((L0[2]),L1[2]); Graph 3D  QPI  SolveSys 

03012017, 04:02 PM
(This post was last modified: 03012017 05:19 PM by compsystems.)
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Sending to the entry line of VirtCalc v11226
restart; DelHVars( {"x", "y", "z", "w"}); L0:={2x+y+2z,2x+y+2z+w}; L1:={{x,y,z},{x,y,z,w}}; [enter] ok, Lists are stored with symbolic expressions You can not store symbolic expressions in L0, ... L1 from list editor can be proved, goto LIST EDITOR [Shift]+[7] L0 or L1 [edit] [edit] > syntax error L0(1); > 2*x+y+2*z L0[1]; > {2*x+y+2*z,w+2*x+y+2*z} why? L0(2); > w+2*x+y+2*z L0[2]; > {2*x+y+2*z,w+2*x+y+2*z} ? L1(1); > {x,y,z} L1[1]; > {{x,y,z},{x,y,z,w}} ? L1(2); > {x,y,z,w} L1[2]; > {{x,y,z},{x,y,z,w}} ? coeff(2*x+y+2*z, {x,y,z}); > [2,1,2] coeff(L0(1),L1(1)); > [2,1,2] coeff(w+2*x+y+2*z, {x,y,z,w}); Even entering the expressions directly on each arg, crash or coeff(L0(2),L1(2)); crash ////////////// For symbolic arrays stored in M0, ... M9 (CAS MODE) M1:=["2x+y+2z","2x+y+2z+w"]; or M1:=[2x+y+2z,2x+y+2z+w]; [enter] "Error: Bad argument type" Why? 

03012017, 04:33 PM
(This post was last modified: 03012017 04:38 PM by Tim Wessman.)
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RE: VC crash?
(03012017 04:02 PM)compsystems Wrote: You can not store symbolic expressions in L0, ... L1, Yes you can. Lists may contain any object type. TW Although I work for the HP calculator group, the views and opinions I post here are my own. 

03012017, 04:38 PM
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RE: VC crash?
So sometimes I get a crash, and other times I do not.
Graph 3D  QPI  SolveSys 

03012017, 04:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 03012017 10:59 PM by compsystems.)
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RE: VC crash?
(03012017 04:33 PM)Tim Wessman Wrote: Yes you can. You can only from entryline, and not form list editor, because when you edit it (list editor) says "syntax error" follow the steps 1: goto CAS HISTORY VIEW 2: L0:={2x+y+2z, 2x+y+2z+w}; [ENTER] then 3: [Shift]+[7] find L0 [edit] [edit] [ok] syntax error, Why? If it was allowed by the entry line, there must be agreement currently the list editor does not allow you to create lists with symbolic expressions in the CAS environment (This should be improved) The list editor not allow en HOME mode create lists with symbolic expressions (ok), except with strings L0:= {"2*x+y+2*z","w+2*x+y+2*z"} And why from entry line does not allow to create matrices with string symbolics? And for lists yes from M0, ... M10 M0:=["2x+y+2z","2x+y+2z+w"]; [enter] "Error: Bad argument type" Why? for >= M10 M11:=["2x+y+2z","2x+y+2z+w"]; [enter] ok IDEA: To recall variables in each environment L0; or M0; for HOME MODE CAS.L0, or CAS.M0 for CAS MODE 

03012017, 05:24 PM
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RE: VC crash?
(03012017 04:42 PM)compsystems Wrote: And why from entry line does not allow to create matrices with string symbolics? And for lists yes M0 through M9 are predefined variables for matrices of real or complex values only. M10, M11, etc. are usercreated variables. Lists can hold anything. Graph 3D  QPI  SolveSys 

03012017, 05:54 PM
(This post was last modified: 03012017 05:55 PM by Tim Wessman.)
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(03012017 04:42 PM)compsystems Wrote: currently the list editor does not allow you to create lists with symbolic expressions No, it does not allow you to "create" any lists AT ALL. Only objects that exist on entry show up in there. Same with the matrix editor. [CAS] mylist:={x+y,z}; mymat:=[[x,y],[z,w]]; Now open the list or matrix editor and you will see a CAS list/matrix in there. They can be edited just as if in the cas environment and will accept the same inputs. Quote:M11:=["2x+y+2z","2x+y+2z+w"]; [enter] ok As Han explains, because you have defined a cas matrix named M11. TW Although I work for the HP calculator group, the views and opinions I post here are my own. 

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