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(04-11-2014 11:42 PM)orcinus Wrote:  
(04-11-2014 11:23 PM)brouhaha Wrote:  It really doesn't matter since the 3D printed keys are too expensive for anything but prototypes; production will have to be injection molded.

1. Who's talking about production?

I am.

Quote:2. Were the keys you printed flat or profiled?

As I said, they were basically the same shape as HP-41C and HP-12C keys.

Quote:3. Did you show them outside calculator conferences and were they actually used?

I've shown them outside of calculator conferences. Aside from people that have tried it, I'm probably the only person who's used them extensively, because only one person was willing to pay the exorbitant price of a 3D printed calculator.

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(04-11-2014 11:23 PM)brouhaha Wrote:  Actually that's not even slightly hard. Search for "tactile switches" on Digikey or Mouser. There are hundreds of different ones that are suitable...

I assume you've tried them all and found the ones that are suitable?

No. We've tried two or three of them. Many are suitable; the only reason we've tried several is because we have tried several different case designs that had different requirements for the size and shape of the switches, and especially the actuators thereof.

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(04-11-2014 11:23 PM)brouhaha Wrote:  Richard Ottosen and I have been building calculator prototypes for more than ten years, working toward something that could actually be sold. While we're always happy to hear new ideas, it seems a bit strange to be told that things that we've already accomplished successfully are not usable, or that things we've done easily are "relatively hard".

This will sound terribly disrespectful, but... After ten years, have you finally gotten to the point where something can actually be sold?

No, it's not yet to the point of being sold. It's almost to the point of providing loaner units to the firmware development team.

This has been a spare time project, and the objectives have changed over the years. When we started, we never dreamed that there would be any third-party firmware on part with WP-34s. We were only building a platform to run HP calculator microcode.

Richard and I are professionals. Had this been a commercial endeavor, and had we worked full time on it, and had a suitable budget, we would have been able to produce a professional grade product in less than 18 months.

Quote:And by that i honestly am not trying to be disrespectful - *i'd* rather have a solid prototype than a hacked product and i appreciate the effort involved. But the reality of it is - no one will buy a prototype with 3D printed keys. But people will buy a factory made product hacked into something else, despite all its shortcomings.

That depends on exactly what is meant by "hacked into something else". There's an existence proof that people will buy an HP 20b or 30b with replacement firmware and vinyl overlays. There's not any evidence that people will buy something cobbled together from pieces of other calculators.

Quote:And that's my original point (which, granted, might be completely off base). A tiny step sideways is sometimes better than standing still and talking about that big step forward.

Gutting an actual HP calculator for keys would be a diversion that wouldn't get us any closer to a product.
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RE: 43s status - jebem - 09-18-2015, 09:07 AM
RE: 43s status - sa-penguin - 09-18-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: 43s status - Massimo Gnerucci - 09-18-2015, 02:24 PM
RE: 43s status - Dwight Sturrock - 09-18-2015, 08:46 PM
RE: 43s status - Kinma - 09-30-2015, 01:19 PM
RE: 43s status - Kinma - 10-01-2015, 02:49 PM
RE: 43s status - brouhaha - 10-01-2015, 07:40 PM
RE: 43s status - Kinma - 10-08-2015, 09:45 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 10-30-2015, 03:29 AM
RE: 43s status - d b - 11-18-2015, 03:50 PM
RE: 43s status - ElectroDuende - 11-25-2015, 10:36 PM
RE: 43s status - Erico Serravite - 12-10-2015, 12:34 PM
RE: 43s status - jebem - 12-10-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-10-2015, 04:00 PM
RE: 43s status - Vtile - 12-12-2015, 03:12 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-12-2015, 05:56 AM
RE: 43s status - quantalume - 12-12-2015, 07:50 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-12-2015, 09:57 AM
RE: 43s status - d b - 12-12-2015, 06:51 AM
RE: 43s status - sa-penguin - 12-12-2015, 06:47 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-12-2015, 10:07 AM
RE: 43s status - jebem - 12-12-2015, 09:32 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-13-2015, 05:49 AM
RE: 43s status - Ender - 12-15-2015, 03:45 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-15-2015, 05:03 PM
Missing in 43s - wojtek - 12-24-2015, 12:28 PM
RE: 43s status - Massimo Gnerucci - 12-24-2015, 08:07 PM
RE: 43s status - Vtile - 12-25-2015, 02:41 AM
RE: 43s status - Massimo Gnerucci - 12-25-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: 43s status - Claudio L. - 12-25-2015, 04:35 PM
RE: 43s status - Claudio L. - 12-28-2015, 09:35 PM
RE: 43s status - Paul Dale - 12-29-2015, 05:23 AM
RE: 43s status - Claudio L. - 12-29-2015, 10:48 PM
RE: 43s status - Steve Simpkin - 12-30-2015, 12:27 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-30-2015, 08:44 AM
RE: 43s status - Claudio L. - 12-30-2015, 03:02 PM
RE: 43s status - Marcus von Cube - 12-30-2015, 03:32 PM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-30-2015, 06:12 PM
RE: 43s status - Paul Dale - 12-30-2015, 09:20 AM
RE: 43s status - d b - 12-30-2015, 06:09 PM
RE: 43s status - timofonic - 01-07-2016, 08:57 PM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 01-09-2016, 03:32 PM
RE: 43s status - d b - 01-09-2016, 07:01 PM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 01-09-2016, 09:47 PM
RE: 43s status - d b - 01-10-2016, 06:30 AM



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