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(06-26-2014 08:47 AM)brouhaha Wrote:  It's an Energy Micro EFM32GG380F1024, with 1MiB of flash and 128KiB of RAM. The EFM32GG can support additional external memory, but we don't have enough PCB space for that, and it would significantly increase the power consumption. To the best of my knowledge, there is no SoC with 2MiB of flash and 512KiB of RAM that doesn't draw at least an order of magnitude more power than the EFM32GG, so there is basically no chance that we will switch to something with more memory.

Fair enough. That was an ideal case, to run without changes. So far newRPL works very well with about 8 kbytes of ram for TempOb (this is what I use for testing under frequent GC). However, it starts failing with you set the precision high (at 2007 digits, each real number takes about 900 bytes).
I'll make sure to keep things flexible enough so we can run with 128 kbytes. The amount of flash would require the most changes: we'd have to reduce the maximum system precision by a large amount. Right now the tables for transcendental functions alone are about 1 MB (for 2000 digits precision), but using 500 digits would cut that to 250 kbytes, very manageable with 1 MB of flash.

(06-26-2014 08:47 AM)brouhaha Wrote:  Also we're not about to throw away our hard-won design expertise with the EFM32 and start from scratch (again!) with some other SoC. We've already restarted the project several times, and if we keep doing that we'll never ship anything.

I wouldn't ask you for that, I simply didn't know that you had a SoC selected. This is the first time you mention the chipset, so we are all learning for the first time the specs of your hardware. It's not so far from the Cortex-M4 that me and other people were thinking of as the "ideal" candidate, so in the end we were all thinking alike.

(06-26-2014 08:47 AM)brouhaha Wrote:  The HP-28C clearly had nowhere near enough RAM, but the HP-28S was a pretty usable RPL machine with 128KiB of ROM and 32KiB of RAM. Our hardware has eight times as much flash (vs 28S ROM), and four times as much RAM. Even with the increased memory consumption of 32-bit pointers on native ARM vs. 20-bit on Saturn (or Saturn emulated on ARM), its seems that it should be possible to run RPL on it. However, as I said, RPL isn't our target.

It's definitely possible, we'll just have to keep it more humble. Perhaps the only drawback is the lack of an MMU won't let us optimize the use of memory, we'll have to use fixed partitions or work around it moving big blocks of memory.

(06-26-2014 08:47 AM)brouhaha Wrote:  We do expect customers to be interested in at least two different firmware choices for our hardware, Free42 and WP-43s. We also have the HP-41CX microcode running on it, but that doesn't map well to the extended Pioneer keyboard layout.

We'll keep our minds open (and our code portable), who knows, maybe when you release you might have a third firmware choice, but we are not there yet.

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RE: 43s status - jebem - 09-18-2015, 09:07 AM
RE: 43s status - sa-penguin - 09-18-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: 43s status - Massimo Gnerucci - 09-18-2015, 02:24 PM
RE: 43s status - Dwight Sturrock - 09-18-2015, 08:46 PM
RE: 43s status - Kinma - 09-30-2015, 01:19 PM
RE: 43s status - Kinma - 10-01-2015, 02:49 PM
RE: 43s status - brouhaha - 10-01-2015, 07:40 PM
RE: 43s status - Kinma - 10-08-2015, 09:45 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 10-30-2015, 03:29 AM
RE: 43s status - d b - 11-18-2015, 03:50 PM
RE: 43s status - ElectroDuende - 11-25-2015, 10:36 PM
RE: 43s status - Erico Serravite - 12-10-2015, 12:34 PM
RE: 43s status - jebem - 12-10-2015, 02:18 PM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-10-2015, 04:00 PM
RE: 43s status - Vtile - 12-12-2015, 03:12 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-12-2015, 05:56 AM
RE: 43s status - quantalume - 12-12-2015, 07:50 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-12-2015, 09:57 AM
RE: 43s status - d b - 12-12-2015, 06:51 AM
RE: 43s status - sa-penguin - 12-12-2015, 06:47 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-12-2015, 10:07 AM
RE: 43s status - jebem - 12-12-2015, 09:32 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-13-2015, 05:49 AM
RE: 43s status - Ender - 12-15-2015, 03:45 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-15-2015, 05:03 PM
Missing in 43s - wojtek - 12-24-2015, 12:28 PM
RE: 43s status - Massimo Gnerucci - 12-24-2015, 08:07 PM
RE: 43s status - Vtile - 12-25-2015, 02:41 AM
RE: 43s status - Massimo Gnerucci - 12-25-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: 43s status - Claudio L. - 12-25-2015, 04:35 PM
RE: 43s status - Claudio L. - 12-28-2015, 09:35 PM
RE: 43s status - Paul Dale - 12-29-2015, 05:23 AM
RE: 43s status - Claudio L. - 12-29-2015, 10:48 PM
RE: 43s status - Steve Simpkin - 12-30-2015, 12:27 AM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-30-2015, 08:44 AM
RE: 43s status - Claudio L. - 12-30-2015, 03:02 PM
RE: 43s status - Marcus von Cube - 12-30-2015, 03:32 PM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 12-30-2015, 06:12 PM
RE: 43s status - Paul Dale - 12-30-2015, 09:20 AM
RE: 43s status - d b - 12-30-2015, 06:09 PM
RE: 43s status - timofonic - 01-07-2016, 08:57 PM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 01-09-2016, 03:32 PM
RE: 43s status - d b - 01-09-2016, 07:01 PM
RE: 43s status - walter b - 01-09-2016, 09:47 PM
RE: 43s status - d b - 01-10-2016, 06:30 AM



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