WP34s Integration and flashing RCL
09-26-2015, 09:41 PM (This post was last modified: 09-26-2015 10:11 PM by Dieter.)
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 Dieter Senior Member Posts: 2,397 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: WP34s Integration and flashing RCL
(09-23-2015 11:40 PM)Lode Wrote:  When integrating the function 1/ln(x), that is, ln followed by 1/x, from 2 to 5, it outputs 2.58942452991 while RCL (running program) is blinking. That number happens to be correct, but I guess it didn't realize it yet itself

Your 34s realizes that 2.58942452991 is almost correct, so it adds one or two more iterations.

(09-23-2015 11:40 PM)Lode Wrote:  Does anyone know what's happening here, and how to use its correct result?

"Integrate" determines the integral in an iterative way. The current approximation after every iteration step is displayed, so you can see the result converge.
In ALL mode, this is what you'll see:

Code:
∫ ≈ 2.58808349458 ∫ ≈ 2.59110867475 ∫ ≈ 2.58939075912 ∫ ≈ 2.58942437481 ∫ ≈ 2.58942453193 ∫ ≈ 2.58942452991 ∫ ≈ 2.58942452992 ∫ ≈ 2.58942452992  <= final result (actually 2.589424529915154)

At the beginning the displayed intermediate results will change quickly, but since the number of subintervals doubles (!) with every iteration step, the display is updated more and more slowly.

The iteration will stop as soon as the new approximation agrees with the previous one when rounded to display precision. Take a look at the values above: The next value after 2.58942452991 is 2.58942452992, so the iteration has not converged yet. The next iteration will require twice the time of the previous one, so be patient – the last step may take 15...20 seconds – and finally see 2.58942452992 again. Now the iteration terminates and RCL stops flashing.

All this will take some time since you told the 34s you want 12 correct digits, like they are displayed in ALL mode. Set it to FIX 4 and the iteration will stop after three seconds with the result ∫≈2.5894. At this point the last, fourth approximation agrees with the third one as they both round to 2.5894. Or if eight decimals are fine for you, simply set FIX 8 and get 2.58942453 in merely 10 seconds. Or set SCI 5 to get a result with six valid significant digits (2.58942 E+00).

Yes, the exit condition could be somewhat less strict, e.g. "exit as soon as the last two results do not differ by more than 1 or 2 ULP", but the 34s plays safe here and it prefers a correct result over a fast one. In fact the final result here has 15 correct digits. Or even 19 digits in double precision mode.

In this case, of course, you can be quite sure to see the correct result as soon as 2.58942452992 is displayed – here only the last digit changed by one unit. Just wait a few seconds to have it confirmed by the 34s after one more iteration.

Pauli: what about displaying the final result with "∫ =" instead of "∫ ≈" ? This way the user would not have to observe that small flashing RCL annunciator. Do you think this would be a good idea? Yes, of course I know that even the final result is just an approximation. ;-)

Dieter
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 Messages In This Thread WP34s Integration and flashing RCL - Lode - 09-23-2015, 11:40 PM RE: WP34s Integration and flashing RCL - SecondCalc - 09-24-2015, 12:08 AM RE: WP34s Integration and flashing RCL - Paul Dale - 09-24-2015, 03:10 AM RE: WP34s Integration and flashing RCL - Dieter - 09-26-2015 09:41 PM RE: WP34s Integration and flashing RCL - Paul Dale - 09-26-2015, 11:45 PM RE: WP34s Integration and flashing RCL - emece67 - 09-27-2015, 09:50 AM RE: WP34s Integration and flashing RCL - Dieter - 09-27-2015, 11:59 AM

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