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WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #1 Posted by Alexander Oestert on 5 Dec 2013, 7:28 a.m. I haven't been around for a while. This erstwhile very cozy HP museum seems to have morphed into the official HP Prime support forum, while the people at HP constantly send me emails assuring me that they still monitor my defective HP 15C LE but actually don't do a thing about it. Strange world - I'm getting too old for this...

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #2 Posted by Walter B on 5 Dec 2013, 8:21 a.m., in response to message #1 by Alexander Oestert Hallo Alexander, Don't despair. The present "Primania" will soon cool down, I guess, when the next new pig runs through our little forum village. Oiiiik! d;-)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #3 Posted by Maximilian Hohmann on 5 Dec 2013, 8:38 a.m., in response to message #2 by Walter B Hi! Quote: Don't despair. The present "Primania" will soon cool down, I guess, when the next new pig runs through our little forum village. I hope it will cool down long before the next pig comes running. When I look into the forum, it's Prime, Prime, Prime from top to bottom - sooner or later the topic must run dry. The thing has only so and so many bytes of ROM and after every single one has gotten it's own thread, there must come a natural end! In the meantime I was able to get a very nice HP-10C for a reasonable price (obvoiusly the Prime distracts the collectors from the vintage pieces ;-) ) closing another gap in my collection. Regards Max

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #4 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 5 Dec 2013, 8:55 a.m., in response to message #3 by Maximilian Hohmann Quote: In the meantime I was able to get a very nice HP-10C for a reasonable price (obvoiusly the Prime distracts the collectors from the vintage pieces ;-) ) closing another gap in my collection Congrats! And lucky you: I already completed mine...

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #5 Posted by Maximilian Hohmann on 5 Dec 2013, 9:16 a.m., in response to message #4 by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) Quote: And lucky you: I already completed mine... You mean, you have a complete collection of all HP pocket calculators? Wow! Enviable in a way, but hunting for pieces is an important part of the fun.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #6 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 5 Dec 2013, 4:26 p.m., in response to message #5 by Maximilian Hohmann Quote: You mean, you have a complete collection of all HP pocket calculators? Yes. Quote: Wow! Enviable in a way, but hunting for pieces is an important part of the fun. I know, and you're right. But my wallet is happier now... ;)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #7 Posted by DeboT on 8 Dec 2013, 1:10 p.m., in response to message #5 by Maximilian Hohmann Quote: You mean, you have a complete collection of all HP pocket calculators? Wow! Enviable in a way, but hunting for pieces is an important part of the fun. I started to collect some other models e.g. Commodore PR-100 and TI-58 & 59. Opportunistic "hunting" has given me some interesting pieces, e.g. an early TI-81 without backup battery and an interesting financial calculator, the TI FIA-10. There is always something more to hunt :-)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #8 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 8 Dec 2013, 2:24 p.m., in response to message #7 by DeboT Quote: There is always something more to hunt :-) Yes, I also collected some calcs from TI and Sharp.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #9 Posted by Maximilian Hohmann on 8 Dec 2013, 2:42 p.m., in response to message #7 by DeboT Quote: There is always something more to hunt :-) Yes. I even started collecting Swatches in the meantime since prices for HP calculates went through the roof! And just today I "won" an auction for a HP-34C. Another gap filled and the "30 series" (I can't and don't want to remember the stupid names they give their calculators - what's wrong with numbering things that are built to deal with numbers?) finally completed. Thank you Prime, without you, I wouldn't have gotten it for a price I can afford :-)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #10 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 5 Dec 2013, 9:32 p.m., in response to message #3 by Maximilian Hohmann Quote: When I look into the forum, it's Prime, Prime, Prime from top to bottom A side effect might be people ignoring real cool primes, when they appear: http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv021.cgi?read=252370 "Oh, no! Another Prime-related thread. I'll skip it!" :-) Best regards, Gerson.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #11 Posted by Katie Wasserman on 6 Dec 2013, 1:51 a.m., in response to message #10 by Gerson W. Barbosa Quote: "Oh, no! Another Prime-related thread. I'll skip it!" :-) Gee, we did all miss that really nice bit of code you wrote!

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #12 Posted by Jamil on 6 Dec 2013, 7:00 a.m., in response to message #10 by Gerson W. Barbosa Quote: "Oh, no! Another Prime-related thread. I'll skip it!" :-) So don't you label your posts with "prime" word anymore :-) Abraço Gérson,

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #13 Posted by Chris Pem10 on 5 Dec 2013, 10:22 a.m., in response to message #2 by Walter B I'm responsible for some of the Prime noise here; and I guess to some of the more seasoned members here it may seem overwhelming... but enthuaism is enthuaism. I'm looking into hosting an alternative site soon... just not up to speed yet on Amazon hosting services, which forum software to use... blah, blah, blah :) If anyone here is good at that type of thing, there is a definite need for a quality Q/A and bug reporting site. A site that doesn't scream with adds and distractions. Just text on the screen and people helping people (like here).

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #14 Posted by Dave Hicks on 5 Dec 2013, 10:49 a.m., in response to message #1 by Alexander Oestert Soon the Prime will have its own forum. Emulators and third party firmware - which caused the last round of "what happened to my forum?" will also have their own forum. The new forum software makes it easy to create additional categories if needed. Coming soon...

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #15 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 5 Dec 2013, 11:01 a.m., in response to message #14 by Dave Hicks How about you add a filter to the forum that eliminates all these whiner threads. It would definitely free up a lot of space.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #16 Posted by Chris Pem10 on 5 Dec 2013, 11:12 a.m., in response to message #14 by Dave Hicks That will be very useful. Thanks. If I could make two suggestions: Allow us to upload files with more than 8.3 character filenames: it's hard to describe what the file is in 8 characters. Allow us the ability to create wiki type content.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #17 Posted by Bruce Bergman on 5 Dec 2013, 9:37 p.m., in response to message #16 by Chris Pem10 Chris -- There already is a wiki place, and it's even got spots for the Prime. Go here: http://www.wiki4hp.com

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #18 Posted by debrouxl on 6 Dec 2013, 1:15 a.m., in response to message #16 by Chris Pem10 The TI-Planet hpwiki contains a number of pieces of information not found on wiki4hp, e.g. about the linking protocol, or firmware upgrades, including third-party modifications to the firmware.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #19 Posted by Bruce Bergman on 6 Dec 2013, 1:38 a.m., in response to message #18 by debrouxl Yes, and if I get some time over the holidays, I intend to rectify that situation. :-)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #20 Posted by Don Shepherd on 5 Dec 2013, 12:52 p.m., in response to message #14 by Dave Hicks Great news! Thanks Dave.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #21 Posted by Katie Wasserman on 5 Dec 2013, 2:10 p.m., in response to message #20 by Don Shepherd 1 + (Happy days are here again.........)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #22 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 5 Dec 2013, 2:27 p.m., in response to message #21 by Katie Wasserman another 1 + I hope the new software will have a good forum specific search function.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #23 Posted by Angel Martin on 5 Dec 2013, 1:46 p.m., in response to message #14 by Dave Hicks Pls. hurry... :!

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #24 Posted by Nick_S on 7 Dec 2013, 2:41 a.m., in response to message #23 by Angel Martin Pls. Pls. hurry... :-) Edited: 7 Dec 2013, 2:42 a.m.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #25 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 5 Dec 2013, 4:21 p.m., in response to message #14 by Dave Hicks Nice! I only hope that this seasoned forum won't get revolutionized. Not another phpbb, please. :)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #26 Posted by Garth Wilson on 9 Dec 2013, 8:53 p.m., in response to message #25 by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) I'm a moderator on three different forums using phpBB version 3, the most active being forum.6502.org. I'm an administrator on two. There's very little I don't like about phpBB. It does have a ton of options for the administrator to set up though, and it could be that something you don't like could be corrected there. There are so many of these options, in different categories, that it can be hard to find the one you want. That doesn't mean it's not there though. Edited: 9 Dec 2013, 8:54 p.m.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #27 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 10 Dec 2013, 3:06 a.m., in response to message #26 by Garth Wilson If phpBB is able to replicate the clean, unobtrusive, message sorting and presentation options of the current software then that's ok for me. Massimo

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #28 Posted by Bruce Bergman on 5 Dec 2013, 9:37 p.m., in response to message #14 by Dave Hicks Dave, if you've already got it covered, then great. If not, I would be happy to help. I can get something set up within minutes. Let me know if you need anything. Thanks! Bruce

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #29 Posted by Han on 7 Dec 2013, 10:57 a.m., in response to message #14 by Dave Hicks Quote: Soon the Prime will have its own forum. Emulators and third party firmware - which caused the last round of "what happened to my forum?" will also have their own forum. The new forum software makes it easy to create additional categories if needed. Coming soon... Please, please add unicode support :-)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #30 Posted by Dave Hicks on 8 Dec 2013, 12:44 a.m., in response to message #29 by Han Quote: Please, please add unicode support :-) Oh yes, it's Unicode/UTF-8. This got in gear when Cyrille asked if I could convert the existing forum to Unicode, and after some study, I determined that I could, but the amount of work was sufficient to make me investigate new forums. (For example the documentation on one of the functions used by the current forum says you can call it with unicode, but if any character is >255, it will die. Lovely....) I've wanted to switch forum software several times but each time there was resistance to some unspecified new thing. But the last time I asked was maybe 5 years ago, and lately I've noticed growing and on-going dissatisfaction with this old software so I think it's time to replace it. The new stuff has been running for a few days. Just getting a little more tuning and adjusting before I invite everyone in. Real soon now...

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #31 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 8 Dec 2013, 1:09 a.m., in response to message #30 by Dave Hicks Will we be able to upload images from our computers now, or will we still need to use linkable sites to do this ?

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #32 Posted by Walter B on 8 Dec 2013, 1:47 a.m., in response to message #31 by Michael de Estrada That would ease discussions really a lot but require an equal lot of space on the forum. No idea about the consequences. d:-/

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #33 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 8 Dec 2013, 9:15 a.m., in response to message #32 by Walter B Many other forums that I frequent limit the size or quantity of image files that can be uploaded to prevent abuse. So, you won't have people uploading their entire collections just to brag about them. Edited: 8 Dec 2013, 9:16 a.m.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #34 Posted by Dave Hicks on 8 Dec 2013, 12:25 p.m., in response to message #33 by Michael de Estrada Yes the new software allows uploading images. So does the current/old software, but the new software is much more obvious about that since there's an upload button right in the posting form. Also, I'm setting up the new software so everyone gets space by default as opposed to the old software where you had to ask. The new forum will start with 3MB per user. The old forum started with 0 and the largest number on the request form was 2MB, though 4 people have requested and received larger quotas. Currently we have 52 guest directories with an average use of 0.4MB per "user with directory" and the largest is around 4MB. I expect not having to ask and having the button right on the posting form will substantially increase uploads per user. If it doesn't go up that much, then I might increase the default quota beyond 3MB.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #35 Posted by Walter B on 8 Dec 2013, 1:02 p.m., in response to message #34 by Dave Hicks Dave, I hope you don't regret. d;-)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #36 Posted by Giancarlo on 8 Dec 2013, 3:11 p.m., in response to message #34 by Dave Hicks Hello Dave, I don't want to have a preview of the new forum but i think that most of the users here complaining about the Prime thread are probably annoyed by the fact that there are a lot of comments about the Prime filling the screen of comments for the same thread. Did you consider the possibility to see the title of the thread a la comp.sys.hp48? In this way a hp97 thread would have the same dignity of a Prime one. I personally think that having a separate forum for the prime is not necessary. I think that the number of threads would reduce as soon as bug(s) will be solved and as soon as we feel comfortable with its approach to mathematics and programming. Thanks Giancarlo

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #37 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 8 Dec 2013, 3:36 p.m., in response to message #36 by Giancarlo I personally like to display the messages individually, I would rather prefer to have some sort of filter available. But I am waiting to see the new forum before complaining. ;-)

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #38 Posted by Dave Hicks on 8 Dec 2013, 8:45 p.m., in response to message #36 by Giancarlo If you go to search/personalize and set List Messages to Compressed, then it will do what (I think) you are asking.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #39 Posted by Marcus von Cube, Germany on 9 Dec 2013, 5:23 p.m., in response to message #38 by Dave Hicks Dave, will all messages and accounts be migrated?

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #40 Posted by Dave Hicks on 9 Dec 2013, 10:10 p.m., in response to message #39 by Marcus von Cube, Germany No. Migration will be of the manual type.

Re: WTF? W-here T-o F-ind the original hpmuseum forum? Message #41 Posted by Matthias Wehrli on 5 Dec 2013, 1:25 p.m., in response to message #1 by Alexander Oestert My words! I still have no PRIME and I miss the original discussion concerning collections, old calculators, ebay (Am I allowed to write these four letters hear now?), ...

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