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HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #1 Posted by Joseph Ec on 7 Nov 2013, 6:52 a.m. Hi Friends, Change the Settings to FIXED 4 the number format, 0.001 [ENTER] => 0.001000 ?? I waited 0.0010 What do you think ? Best regards!! joseph

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #2 Posted by Patrice on 7 Nov 2013, 7:52 a.m., in response to message #1 by Joseph Ec It is a bug it is reported since a while Hope a fast correction :)

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #3 Posted by Joseph Ec on 7 Nov 2013, 7:58 a.m., in response to message #2 by Patrice Hi Patrice, Thanks for the info, Have a nice day. joseph

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #4 Posted by Tim Wessman on 7 Nov 2013, 9:18 a.m., in response to message #3 by Joseph Ec No, it is not a bug. Rather, it is showing you 4 digits after the first part of your value <0. It is a behavior that was tried for a while on a few calculators but due to nobody seeming to like it we will be changing in the future back to the "old" FIX behavior. TW

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #5 Posted by Joseph Ec on 7 Nov 2013, 9:42 a.m., in response to message #4 by Tim Wessman Hi Tim, Thanks for explaining the issue, old fix is prefered. Best regards!! josehp

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #6 Posted by Patrice on 7 Nov 2013, 10:20 a.m., in response to message #4 by Tim Wessman Looks like I missed the information about this and got stuck to the traditional display (HP41)

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #7 Posted by Tim Wessman on 7 Nov 2013, 5:56 p.m., in response to message #6 by Patrice Yeah, I think that started with the 20b (which was even before my time starting at HP). TW

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #8 Posted by Fred Lusk on 7 Nov 2013, 1:03 p.m., in response to message #4 by Tim Wessman Time…why not both? I use FIXED most of the time on my HP-42S, etc, but I sometime wish for a quasi-SigFig display, which is what this apparently is. (I don't have a PRIME, so I can't be sure.) Edited: 7 Nov 2013, 1:04 p.m.

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #9 Posted by Timothy Roche on 7 Nov 2013, 4:35 p.m., in response to message #4 by Tim Wessman I would echo Fred's vote for keeping the "new" FIX number format in addition to the "old" FIX. It is similar in function to WP-34s's number format ALL. The "new" FIX acting as a poor-man's SigFig for decimal fractions is a welcome alternative that avoids scientific notation when it is not necessary. Of course you will need to find a better name than "new" FIX for it. Tim

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #10 Posted by Tim Wessman on 7 Nov 2013, 5:56 p.m., in response to message #9 by Timothy Roche How about being allowed to change the STD display format to specify a digits setting? STD 12 would be what it is now. STD 6 would only show 6 digits in a number but behave like the std does normally. TW

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #11 Posted by Geoff Quickfall on 7 Nov 2013, 6:20 p.m., in response to message #10 by Tim Wessman Yes, I like that idea, as long as I get fix control, I don't care where I find it, or what it is called. Geoff

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #12 Posted by Timothy Roche on 7 Nov 2013, 6:22 p.m., in response to message #10 by Tim Wessman That would work fine. I vote yes for STD number format with desired displayed digits designation. Tim

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #13 Posted by Mark Hardman on 7 Nov 2013, 6:34 p.m., in response to message #10 by Tim Wessman I don't think I like re-purposing Standard for this mode. Standard shows all significant figures. This is more of a "Rounded" display mode that only shows n digits of precision regardless of the decimal point. Consider also what this mode would do to numbers greater than 1. For n=4 Number Display ---------- ------------ 123456. 123500. 12345.6 12350. 1234.56 1235. 123.456 123.5 12.3456 12.35 1.23456 1.235 .123456 0.1235 .0123456 0.01235 .00123456 0.001235 .000123456 0.0001235

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #14 Posted by Timothy Roche on 7 Nov 2013, 7:43 p.m., in response to message #13 by Mark Hardman Mark I may be wrong. But I believe that Tim Wessman is suggesting to move the "new" FIX functionality to STD (with the addition of digit designation). If you investigate the existing "new" FIX number format (as it is now) you will find that it does not affect the number of displayed digits to the left of the radix character. Try it on your calculator or emulator. So your example table (altered to show how it would display using STD with n=4) would look like this: For n=4 Number Display ---------- ------------ 123456. 123456.0000 12345.6 12345.6000 1234.56 1235.5600 123.456 123.4560 12.3456 12.3456 1.23456 1.2346 .123456 0.1235 .0123456 0.01235 .00123456 0.001235 .000123456 0.0001235 Tim

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #15 Posted by htom trites jr on 7 Nov 2013, 11:39 p.m., in response to message #14 by Timothy Roche STD 4 would do better to show 123456. as 1235oo. , using o instead of 0 to indicate that rounding occurred. (123500. being shown if the display shows a non-rounded value.)

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #16 Posted by Wes Loewer on 8 Nov 2013, 3:23 p.m., in response to message #15 by htom trites jr Quote: STD 4 would do better to show 123456. as 1235oo. , using o instead of 0 to indicate that rounding occurred. (123500. being shown if the display shows a non-rounded value.) It would be nice to have some sort of a Significant Digits mode, but I don't think it should be assigned to Standard. The word "Standard" does not describe what this feature would be doing. -wes

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #17 Posted by Joseph Ec on 8 Nov 2013, 8:34 p.m., in response to message #16 by Wes Loewer Hi Friend, With 4 decimal digits (std fix) 123456 I think will show => 123456.0000 0.123456 => 0.1235 Best regard jose

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #18 Posted by Wes Loewer on 8 Nov 2013, 3:19 p.m., in response to message #4 by Tim Wessman Fix should definitely show a "fixed" number of decimal places. Otherwise, if you use Fix 2 for money, then 5 cents comes out as 0.050 . -wes

Re: HP PRIME: Fixed 4 number format 0.001000 Message #19 Posted by Geoff Quickfall on 7 Nov 2013, 11:51 a.m., in response to message #1 by Joseph Ec I too missed the memo, and now all makes sense! :-)

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