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HP-32S/33S/35S emulator with Stack Overflow sensing/Stack display Message #1 Posted by x34 on 24 Oct 2012, 1:17 a.m. It is hard to develop programs for HP-32S due to low available memory. You need to optimize numbers, i.e. replacing 0.9 with 1;10;1/x;- sequence to free a couple of bytes. The problem is, when re-doing programs written for 35s/33s, stack usage becomes higher, and you can inadvertently get stack overflow. So, I hope there is some emulator for one of these calculators, which either could be set to signal stack overflow (i.e. when non-zero value is pushed higher than T) or just display stack contents. Are they available?

Re: HP-32S/33S/35S emulator with Stack Overflow sensing/Stack display Message #2 Posted by Dieter on 25 Oct 2012, 4:00 p.m., in response to message #1 by x34 I do not think there is an emulator with built-in stack overflow warning. Simply because it does not make sense: Key in any number you like, or simply press the ENTER key, and T is lost. Data is lost even if T was zero before - a zero does not indicate an "empty" register, it can be a meaningful, important value just as any other number. Regarding memory usage of numeric constants: yes, sometimes you have to be a bit ...creative. For instance, on the 35s [Pi] [INT] is shorter and faster than a simple [3]. But what about the 32s? How many bytes are required for a simple 0.9? I think the best start for a translation from a 35s program to your 32s, or in general from machine X to Y, is a thorough understanding of how the program works. Literal translations sure are not the best way to handle this, often a different approach based on the specific features of the target device is way better - and ofter faster and more concise as well. Just think of most HP-67/97 programs that could also run on a HP-41 system (with attached card reader), and then imagine how much better and faster these could have programmed, using the advantages of the 41-series. Dieter

Re: HP-32S/33S/35S emulator with Stack Overflow sensing/Stack display Message #3 Posted by Bart (UK) on 25 Oct 2012, 5:15 p.m., in response to message #1 by x34 Use an RPL calculator (48S/G series, 50G), their stack depth is limited only by available memory (visible stack 4 to 11 levels depending on model & display settings). 50g emulator available here.

Re: HP-32S/33S/35S emulator with Stack Overflow sensing/Stack display Message #4 Posted by x34 on 26 Oct 2012, 4:56 p.m., in response to message #3 by Bart (UK) Bart, IMHO RPL calculators are too different from RPN ones, especially concerning stack usage. I don't see any help in using HP-50G to prototype HP-32S program. Dieter, I agree zero could be meaningful value. Say I use NIL or another guard value instead of zero. 0.9 consumes 9.5 bytes, numbers in range 0-254 consume 1.5 bytes only, so 1;10;1/x;- takes 6 bytes instead of 9.5. Maybe there is some RPN (not too far from HP-32S) emulator which shows stack contents. I would be glad to hear about one with syntax close to HP-32S/33S/35S. Another option is to tune some existing emulator to fit my needs. Is there any 32s/33s/35s emulator with source code?

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