HP Forum Archive 21

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Resuming an old post......................while crunching numberes Message #1 Posted by aurelio on 24 Sept 2012, 5:05 p.m. Hi all! I was looking for informations about the HP32sII and related benchmarks when I found this old post in the archives, a long discussion expecially between Norm and Valentin Albillo..........very, very interesting matter, then while searching I stopped on Namir Shammas site with his HP67 emulator and I agreed, reading words like:"These programs run MUCH FASTER THAN ON THE ORIGINAL CALCULATOR!!! The simulator combines the speed and power of the personal computer with the vintage technology of the HP-67 calculator. No more taking coffee breaks while the calculator is busy crunching numbers!!" just a couple of days ago, I was trying to calculate with programs written for hp67 (stat pac), HP41c and HP42s (J.Baillard, thanks) n! of an integer (5.850 or 5,850 for the ones who use the comma in place of dot).... Here below the porformances (crunching time) HP67 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2h 15' HP41c >>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 ' HP41c emulator>>>>> 14' HP42s >>>>>>>>>>>>> 11' Hp42s emulator>>>>> 3'' (woah!) HP49g+(build in fn) 20' not yet tested with WP34s Really we moved in the last years from the moon to mars! Edited: 26 Sept 2012, 9:05 a.m. after one or more responses were posted

Re: Resuming and old post......................while crunching numberes Message #2 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 24 Sept 2012, 5:12 p.m., in response to message #1 by aurelio Quote: not yet tested with WP42s Because there is not such a calculator, I presume :-)

Re: Resuming and old post......................while crunching numberes Message #3 Posted by aurelio on 25 Sept 2012, 12:34 a.m., in response to message #2 by Gerson W. Barbosa Quote: Because there is not such a calculator, I presume :-) sorry wp34 I meant, post edited.........

Re: Resuming and old post......................while crunching numberes Message #4 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 25 Sept 2012, 1:10 a.m., in response to message #3 by aurelio I know you meant the WP 34S, sorry! This only reflects our desire to have the WP 42S one day :-)

Re: Resuming and old post......................while crunching numberes Message #5 Posted by jerome ibanes on 25 Sept 2012, 11:20 p.m., in response to message #4 by Gerson W. Barbosa Hm, I'd really like to know how long this takes on the WP.

Re: Resuming and old post......................while crunching numberes Message #6 Posted by Paul Dale on 26 Sept 2012, 6:41 a.m., in response to message #5 by jerome ibanes 5850! overflows double precision, although the internal numeric format will represent this just fine -- it supports truly huge exponents. The answer is of the order of 1019499 which is tiny in comparison. We can do better of course. Log gamma just happens to be a built-in function. LnGamma of 5851 takes under a second and returns 44899.3081516.... divide this by Ln(10) and get 19499.5217715.... take the fractional portion and raising 10 to this power gives: 3.324845739721310138138472210374560 x 1019499. So 29 accurate digits in a few seconds manually and under a second from a program. I did all this in double precision mode -- single precision won't be any faster. I'm not going to find the precise overflow threshold for factorial, however 2000! doesn't overflow double precision mode. - Pauli Edited: 26 Sept 2012, 6:48 a.m.

Re: Resuming an old post......................while crunching numbers Message #7 Posted by Walter B on 26 Sept 2012, 8:44 a.m., in response to message #6 by Paul Dale 2123! is the last working before an overflow error in double precision.

Re: Resuming an old post......................while crunching numbers Message #8 Posted by Paul Dale on 26 Sept 2012, 5:44 p.m., in response to message #7 by Walter B What about the fractional part? Factorial is really a gamma function :-) - Pauli

Re: Resuming an old post......................while crunching numbers Message #9 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 26 Sept 2012, 10:47 p.m., in response to message #8 by Paul Dale The program below gives a very rough approximation of x (x > 1.5), given x!: 6145 10^x A --> 2123.51 x! --> 7.64e6144 EEX 100 A --> 69.95 x! --> 9.56e99 EEX 10 A --> 13.17 x! --> 9.81e9 Gerson. ----------------------------- 001 LBL A 002 LN 003 FILL 004 1 005 e^x 006 / 007 Wp 008 / 009 . 010 5 011 - 012 STO 00 013 x<> Y 014 Wp 015 1/x 016 LN 017 FILL 018 1 019 0 020 LN 021 2 022 10^x 023 / 024 * 025 6 026 EEX 027 +/- 028 4 029 * 030 +/- 031 . 032 1 033 SQRT 034 + 035 * 036 1 037 +/- 038 e^x 039 SQRT 040 + 041 +/- 042 RCL+ 00 043 END

Re: Resuming an old post......................while crunching numbers Message #10 Posted by Walter B on 27 Sept 2012, 5:04 a.m., in response to message #9 by Gerson W. Barbosa By nested intervals, I get 1HIG in double precision (i.e. 9.999 999 999 997 216 877...E6144) for 2 123.549 956 662 463 2!, FWIW. Edited: 27 Sept 2012, 5:05 a.m.

Re: Resuming and old post......................while crunching numberes Message #11 Posted by Olivier De Smet on 24 Sept 2012, 6:17 p.m., in response to message #1 by aurelio Tested on go49g (built-in in exact mode) on a galaxy tab10.1: 180 seconds :) (a number of 19500 digits with 1460 '0' at the end) P.S. I'm curious about the HP67/97 program for testing it on my emulators ... Edited: 24 Sept 2012, 6:22 p.m.

Re: Resuming and old post......................while crunching numberes Message #12 Posted by Frido Bohn on 25 Sept 2012, 8:31 a.m., in response to message #11 by Olivier De Smet <10 '' Galaxy Tab 7'' using Wolfram Alpha App (Android) Don't tell me that's unfair advantage. I know.

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