Re: To know or to believe Message #32 Posted by Martin Pinckney on 6 Nov 2011, 9:34 p.m., in response to message #20 by Walter B
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Creationism today, however, is a mere (bad) joke - or call it religion. That was and is the reason for my statement above, where I tried to refer to the great historical achievement of separating science and religion some 300 (!) years ago.
Good science and good religion go hand-in-hand. Bad science and bad religion are an anathema to each other.
If you have read much on Creationism , you know there is at least two schools - Young Earth and Old Earth. Both acknowledge that all of creation was, well, created. Old Earth creationism acknowledges the findings of science regarding the age of the universe.
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Religion, per definition, is what you can rely (sic!) on but cannot dispute (believe it or not).
Cannot dispute?! Where have you been, Walter?
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Science, OTOH, is what you can know (Lat. "scientia" from "scire" = to know), meaning science explains (or elucidates) reproducible observations the easiest possible logically consistent way (which did and will change with the progress of knowledge, also as a result of many hard disputations, thus science can never be as comfortable as religion).
Yet I am often surprised at how some make such rigid statements about how such-and-such is "settled science" or in some way indicate that a particular scientific "fact" cannot be disputed - forever.
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Of course, you may introduce GODS (i.e. the Great Old Divine Spaghettimonster) for having buried all the fossils all over the world in correct depths, but that's not the easiest explanation IMHO ;-)
Would it surprise you to learn that many, probably a majority, of Christians accept evolutionary theory as far as explaining natural selection? It does not, at least as presently constituted, explain the origin, nor the complexity of life.
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"But what is truth? / Is truth unchanging law? / I have my truth - / is it the same as yours?" (IIRC the words of Pontius Pilatus in the musical Jesus Christ Superstar)
FYI, the original can be found in John 18:38.
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HTH but doubt it,
See my remark to Katie on elitism.
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