|Re: To know or to believe|
Message #32 Posted by Martin Pinckney on 6 Nov 2011, 9:34 p.m.,
in response to message #20 by Walter B
Good science and good religion go hand-in-hand. Bad science and bad religion are an anathema to each other.
Creationism today, however, is a mere (bad) joke - or call it religion. That was and is the reason for my statement above, where I tried to refer to the great historical achievement of separating science and religion some 300 (!) years ago.
If you have read much on Creationism , you know there is at least two schools - Young Earth and Old Earth. Both acknowledge that all of creation was, well, created. Old Earth creationism acknowledges the findings of science regarding the age of the universe.
Cannot dispute?! Where have you been, Walter?
Religion, per definition, is what you can rely (sic!) on but cannot dispute (believe it or not).
Yet I am often surprised at how some make such rigid statements about how such-and-such is "settled science" or in some way indicate that a particular scientific "fact" cannot be disputed - forever.
Science, OTOH, is what you can know (Lat. "scientia" from "scire" = to know), meaning science explains (or elucidates) reproducible observations the easiest possible logically consistent way (which did and will change with the progress of knowledge, also as a result of many hard disputations, thus science can never be as comfortable as religion).
Would it surprise you to learn that many, probably a majority, of Christians accept evolutionary theory as far as explaining natural selection? It does not, at least as presently constituted, explain the origin, nor the complexity of life.
Of course, you may introduce GODS (i.e. the Great Old Divine Spaghettimonster) for having buried all the fossils all over the world in correct depths, but that's not the easiest explanation IMHO ;-)
FYI, the original can be found in John 18:38.
"But what is truth? / Is truth unchanging law? / I have my truth - / is it the same as yours?" (IIRC the words of Pontius Pilatus in the musical Jesus Christ Superstar)
See my remark to Katie on elitism.
HTH but doubt it,