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Any 15c news? Message #1 Posted by Dave Britten on 15 June 2011, 8:19 a.m. There were quite a few rumors/reports of a June re-release floating around for a while. Well, it's definitely June now. Anything new happening?

Re: Any 15c news? Message #2 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 15 June 2011, 8:50 a.m., in response to message #1 by Dave Britten New Rumor = Old Rumor + 1 year IOW, when hell freezes. Edited: 15 June 2011, 8:51 a.m.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #3 Posted by Dave Britten on 15 June 2011, 9:10 a.m., in response to message #2 by Michael de Estrada So, just as soon as Duke Nukem Forever comes out. Er, wait, can't use that joke anymore.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #4 Posted by Jim Yohe on 15 June 2011, 10:01 a.m., in response to message #3 by Dave Britten So after about 15 years this latest (and probably last) episode has finally been released. That's a game I wouldn't have bet money on coming out. Edited: 15 June 2011, 11:41 a.m.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #5 Posted by Mike Morrow on 15 June 2011, 12:15 p.m., in response to message #1 by Dave Britten The release is scheduled to accompany the Rapture, which was recently authoritatively rescheduled for October 21, 2011.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #6 Posted by Namir on 15 June 2011, 1:07 p.m., in response to message #1 by Dave Britten Well ... here is reality biting our dreams. Oh well ... was nice when we all got excited about the new 15c. Well, back to our old calculators!!! :-( Namir

Re: Any 15c news? Message #7 Posted by Eric Rechlin on 15 June 2011, 1:26 p.m., in response to message #1 by Dave Britten Quote: There were quite a few rumors/reports of a June re-release floating around for a while. Well, it's definitely June now. Anything new happening? Until there is an official (or semi-official) announcement, anybody who knows can't say, and anybody else doesn't know. Anything here is pure speculation and doesn't necessarily have any grounding in reality. Eric

Re: Any 15c news? Message #8 Posted by rav walia on 15 June 2011, 1:53 p.m., in response to message #7 by Eric Rechlin I believe that the calls for a 15c have been around for a long while. Has HP ever responded in anyway to the calls? For example, saying why it might not happen, not for the for seeable future, etc, etc? As lowly user, it just seems that HP is a closed shop and to me there's nothing to ever indicate that there will be another scientific RPN, let alone a 15c reissue. I've tried to use non rpn calculators and find it tough. So my only option is to hope that my HP32sii doesn't flake out on me and HP comes out with something better than the HP35s. I applaud the repurposing efforts the community is doing and programs written in the past to add a little scientific functionality to some financial rpn calcs from HP. Is this the new way forward, make financial rpn calcs and leave options for repurposing to the rpn community? I understand that no company would give there roadmap away, but I'd think you'd at least want to let the market know that you're still actively in the market. Maybe this is all some great marketing strategy from HP that I just don't understand, but surely some teasers would be required to slowly build up the excitment. Deep down I don't believe that HP will release anything new in the rpn scientific calculator field, but I want/hope they do.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #9 Posted by Tim Wessman on 15 June 2011, 4:47 p.m., in response to message #8 by rav walia HHC is a big part of that outreach and communication. It has been receiving a lot more support from the HP calc group these past few years and managers have seen the value and benefit of hosting such an event. Just the fact that we can communicate so much information to people there is very, very unusual in the world of large companies. I can say with absolute certainty that we will not be announcing a 15c re-release at the HHC 2011 conference in September. There will *hopefully* (depending on when planes have to leave) be about 10 people from the HP calc group at the conference this year. They timed the marketing/business summit to coincide so that many people would be able to go and interact with users. I will say that if you ever have thought about going to a conference - this should be the one. I will be quiet now. TW

Re: Any 15c news? Message #10 Posted by Martin Pinckney on 16 June 2011, 12:05 a.m., in response to message #9 by Tim Wessman Well, guys, there's your tease. Or two or three.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #11 Posted by Walter B on 16 June 2011, 1:00 a.m., in response to message #10 by Martin Pinckney Unfortunately the energy stored in the teasing springs doesn't exceed the mountain of costs (and scheduled work) for Pauli and me yet. But seems Marcus may go, so the wp34s project team will have at least two eyes and ears in that elitist gathering, provided the number of beers will reach a sufficient amount ;-) Walter

Re: Any 15c news? going OT Message #12 Posted by Ren on 16 June 2011, 12:54 p.m., in response to message #11 by Walter B Quote: Unfortunately the energy stored in the teasing springs doesn't exceed the mountain of costs (and scheduled work) for Pauli and me yet. But seems Marcus may go, so the wp34s project team will have at least two eyes and ears in that elitist gathering, provided the number of beers will reach a sufficient amount ;-) Walter Sufficient amount? That brings to mind the time a former supervisor hosted a couple of weather scientists visiting from Germany at his home for an evening. Just to help "make them feel at home" he bought a variety of imported beers prior to their visit. The two visitors drank over $200 worth of beer that evening! B^) Ren dona nobis pacem

Re: Any 15c news? going OT Message #13 Posted by Mike Morrow on 16 June 2011, 3:53 p.m., in response to message #12 by Ren Quote: That brings to mind the time a former supervisor hosted a couple of weather scientists visiting from Germany at his home for an evening. Just to help "make them feel at home" he bought a variety of imported beers prior to their visit. That would be like someone in Europe providing Budweiser or Schlitz to a visiting American! I'd rather try the local brew.

Re: Any 15c news? going OT Message #14 Posted by Walter B on 16 June 2011, 4:47 p.m., in response to message #13 by Mike Morrow Quote: That would be like someone in Europe providing Budweiser or Schlitz to a visiting American! I'd rather try the local brew. I.e. Coke in the US of A ;-) BTW, if/when you're visiting Europe, get the real (= Czech) Budweiser and taste the difference - best at the brewery in Ceské Budejovice :-) Walter

Re: Any 15c news? Message #15 Posted by Namir on 16 June 2011, 8:42 a.m., in response to message #9 by Tim Wessman Tim, The folks that usually attend the HHC conferences, like myself, enjoy the camaraderie first and foremost. My wife calls it geek fest and geek fest paloosa! This year's topics regarding the 41CL and the wp34s alone are worth attending. If HP can show or talk about interesting concepts or projects then we are even happier. It's meeting the people to celebrate their skills (like Geoff Quickfall's uncanny gift to repair vintage calculators) and personalities. I have know many attendees for over 30 years and that is something special! Namir

Re: Any 15c news? Message #16 Posted by Howard Owen on 16 June 2011, 3:36 p.m., in response to message #9 by Tim Wessman Quote: I can say with absolute certainty that we will not be announcing a 15c re-release at the HHC 2011 conference in September. Quote: They timed the marketing/business summit to coincide so that many people would be able to go and interact with users. I'm an old hand at rumor mongering, so don't be upset as I twist your words. :) Tim just implied that a new 15C will be announced at the marketing summit!!! Quote: I will say that if you ever have thought about going to a conference - this should be the one. I will be quiet now. Ooh, must mean the rerelease of the [...] will be unveiled!!! (Put your favorite calc between the brackets.) Seriously, color me teased. :)

Re: Any 15c news? Message #17 Posted by Martin Pinckney on 16 June 2011, 3:54 p.m., in response to message #16 by Howard Owen I think Tim is implying that 1) In spite of all our griping, HP has been listening, 2) The 15c+ is going to be released "soon", just not at HHC, 3) There's going to be something else very interesting revealed at HHC, and 4) Don't try to pull any more info out of him before then.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #18 Posted by Tim Wessman on 16 June 2011, 8:24 p.m., in response to message #17 by Martin Pinckney Mainly I just enjoy stirring the pot and get people worked up. It is always interesting to see the interesting theories that get created based on something I say. :-) TW

Re: Any 15c news? Message #19 Posted by gene wright on 16 June 2011, 10:19 p.m., in response to message #18 by Tim Wessman Well, Tim...thanks for the HP 65CX with 1GB of program memory you sent last week. However, I do wish you had improved the magnetic card capacity. Writing programs at 100 bytes a card takes a while for a nearly 1GB program.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #20 Posted by Namir on 16 June 2011, 10:22 p.m., in response to message #19 by gene wright I see you got the early prototype!! I got the one with the USB cable to read and write programs on the PC. I am going to blow people's socks off at the HHC2011. :-) Namir Edited: 16 June 2011, 10:22 p.m.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #21 Posted by John B. Smitherman on 16 June 2011, 10:26 p.m., in response to message #20 by Namir Yes, and I'm looking forward to that new RPN unit with an optional 3 dimensional stack. ;-) John

Re: Any 15c news? Message #22 Posted by Namir on 16 June 2011, 10:25 p.m., in response to message #19 by gene wright Gene, Did you say the HP-65CX, as in HP being the first 2 letters??? Oooops .. I thought you were talking about the TI-65CX with 1GB .. which I got from Joerg last week ....... Oh well .. it will still be fun to show at HhC2011!! :-) Namir Edited: 16 June 2011, 11:17 p.m.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #23 Posted by Ángel Martin on 17 June 2011, 2:14 a.m., in response to message #18 by Tim Wessman Tim, I don't know why but in reading your postings I have this vivid image of the "Chesire's Cat" from Alice in Wonderland... :-) Cheers, /"AM

Re: Any 15c news? Message #24 Posted by Marcus von Cube, Germany on 16 June 2011, 4:01 p.m., in response to message #16 by Howard Owen I think the main achievement of the HP calculator R&D department, namely Cyrille & Tim, lies only a few years back when they chose a platform that is variable enough to - spit out one new calculator after the other with reasonable effort, - is documented so that it can be repurposed, - is fast end versatile enough for serious work. Thanks HP! If you will not announce what is hoped by the community, we will be able to do the job ourselves. ;-)

Re: Any 15c news? Message #25 Posted by Walter B on 16 June 2011, 4:52 p.m., in response to message #24 by Marcus von Cube, Germany Quote: Thanks HP! I concur. Thanks to Cyrille and Tim! Quote: If you will not announce what is hoped by the community, we will be able to do the job ourselves. ;-) At least we'll try ;-)

Re: Any 15c news? Message #26 Posted by Tim Wessman on 16 June 2011, 8:22 p.m., in response to message #25 by Walter B Well, the 20/30b was essentially exclusively Cyrille. The thanks for that go exclusively there (and to Sam Kim for helping push through the cable port). When someone repurposes the 10bII+, I'll happily take the thanks for that! ;-) TW

Re: Any 15c news? Message #27 Posted by hpnut on 16 June 2011, 11:41 p.m., in response to message #26 by Tim Wessman Hey, can anyone here repurpose the HP 10bII+ to do RPN? now that's a challenge! Tim, what say you? hpnut in Malaysia

Re: Any 15c news? Message #28 Posted by Paul Dale on 17 June 2011, 12:26 a.m., in response to message #27 by hpnut I imagine it would be straightforward to repurpose. The display looks to be very difficult to work with (no/limited alpha) and there is no wide enter key. - Pauli

Re: Any 15c news? Message #29 Posted by M. Joury on 16 June 2011, 6:42 p.m., in response to message #16 by Howard Owen Quote: Ooh, must mean the rerelease of the [...] will be unveiled!!! (Put your favorite calc between the brackets.) Would that be a 42S with I/O :)...

Re: Any 15c news? Message #30 Posted by John B. Smitherman on 16 June 2011, 2:53 p.m., in response to message #7 by Eric Rechlin Quote: Anything here is pure speculation and doesn't necessarily have any grounding in reality. Also known as Basic Speculation. Regards, John

Re: Any 15c news? Message #31 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 17 June 2011, 11:05 a.m., in response to message #30 by John B. Smitherman Quote: ... Basic Speculation LOL Well, we can always hope for a HP 15S+ in 2012.... Edited: 17 June 2011, 11:06 a.m.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #32 Posted by Marcus von Cube, Germany on 17 June 2011, 12:22 p.m., in response to message #31 by Eddie W. Shore What about a WP 15S ? ;-)

Re: Any 15c news? Message #33 Posted by fhub on 17 June 2011, 12:30 p.m., in response to message #32 by Marcus von Cube, Germany Quote: What about a WP 15S ? ;-) Or about a MvC-15 ? ;-)

Re: Any 15c news? Message #34 Posted by Ren on 17 June 2011, 1:29 p.m., in response to message #33 by fhub Oh you "Pie in the Sky" guys... HPC will take a slower, more cautious approach than what you've been speculating... HP is going to re-release the HP-10C+ first and then the 11C+, then quietly release the ill-fated 13C, which, because of negative publicity, force them to abandon the introduction of the 14C, and further delay (for 2-3 years) the eventual re-release of the HP-1[56]C which will maintain the same form factor as the 12C (which should be in its HP-12C Rhodium +SIII variant by then) but have "electronic paper" key tops which will display each keys function as determined by operating mode selected by the user. Well, "user" will be mostly a redundant term as that calculator will not need human interaction and more likely "use" the person handling it to accomplish its (the calculator's) goals via SkyNet. Ren dona nobis pacem

Re: Any 15c news? Message #35 Posted by Marcus von Cube, Germany on 17 June 2011, 1:48 p.m., in response to message #33 by fhub I would have to steal other's IP to be able to do this alone. I rely very much on Pauli and Walter for the Math and design stuff. I'm the interrupt guy. So no, definitely not an "MvC something".

Re: Any 15c news? Message #36 Posted by David Hayden on 17 June 2011, 8:18 p.m., in response to message #1 by Dave Britten HP is very tight lipped about any future calculators. The only way I know of to find out anything about their future thinking and plans is to attend the HHC conference (in San Diego this year). At the conference you will be required to sign a non-disclosure agreement and in exchange, you *may* learn something about HP's future plans. Both HP and the attendees that the non-disclosure agreement very seriously. At the very least, you will be treated to one of Tim's thrilling talks about Desiduous trees of North America. Dave

Re: Any 15c news? Message #37 Posted by Tim Wessman on 17 June 2011, 10:32 p.m., in response to message #36 by David Hayden Last year it was "Woodworking 101". The title for my talk this year is, correctly, identified as "Deciduous Trees of North America". :-) TW

Re: Any 15c news? Message #38 Posted by Ren on 18 June 2011, 12:31 a.m., in response to message #37 by Tim Wessman Quote: Last year it was "Woodworking 101". The title for my talk this year is, correctly, identified as "Deciduous Trees of North America". :-) TW Darn! And I thought you were going to talk about Decision Trees!

Re: Any 15c news? Message #39 Posted by John B. Smitherman on 18 June 2011, 9:18 a.m., in response to message #38 by Ren After solving for the roots generate a stem and leaf plot. John

Re: Any 15c news? Message #40 Posted by Ángel Martin on 18 June 2011, 1:46 a.m., in response to message #37 by Tim Wessman Doing Evergreens soon? :=)

Re: Any 15c news? Message #41 Posted by Mike Morrow on 18 June 2011, 7:11 a.m., in response to message #40 by Ángel Martin "...he's a lumberjack, he's OK..." :-)

Re: Any 15c news? Message #42 Posted by Tim Wessman on 18 June 2011, 12:16 p.m., in response to message #40 by Ángel Martin Already doing one actually. TW

Re: Any 15c news? Message #43 Posted by Norman Dziedzic on 19 June 2011, 3:58 p.m., in response to message #42 by Tim Wessman Since we're pretty OT already, this might be of interest.. Growing Deer Population Hurts Survival of Forests

Re: Any 15c news? Message #44 Posted by Ángel Martin on 20 June 2011, 5:54 a.m., in response to message #43 by Norman Dziedzic Well, I might be over-optimistic but in my mind there's nothing OT in Tim's answer...... !!!

Re: Any 15c news? Message #45 Posted by Glenn Dowdy on 20 June 2011, 10:26 a.m., in response to message #37 by Tim Wessman Quote: Last year it was "Woodworking 101". The title for my talk this year is, correctly, identified as "Deciduous Trees of North America". :-) TW Please don't ask me to review your paper prior to HHC.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #46 Posted by Tim Wessman on 20 June 2011, 10:49 a.m., in response to message #45 by Glenn Dowdy Are you a tree expert or something? It isn't a contract. . . Or do you just meant it would be a rather tedious read! :-) TW Edited: 20 June 2011, 1:08 p.m.

Re: Any 15c news? Message #47 Posted by sylvandb on 21 June 2011, 3:29 p.m., in response to message #46 by Tim Wessman Quote: Are you a tree expert or something? It isn't a contract. . . Or do you just meant it would be a rather tedious read! :-) Probably concerned about wooden prose.

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