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HP17bii+ solver question Message #1 Posted by Don Shepherd on 24 Feb 2007, 1:02 a.m. This is frustrating. Can anyone tell me why I get "Solution not found" when I enter a value for N and solve for SOD (sum of digits): sod=0xL(A:LOG(N)+1)+sigma(I:1:A:1:MOD(N:10)+0xL(N:IP(N/10)))

Re: HP17bii+ solver question Message #2 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 24 Feb 2007, 6:36 a.m., in response to message #1 by Don Shepherd It works on both the HP-200LX and HP-17BII. It seems there is (or there was) a problem with L() and G() on the HP-17BII+ : http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv016.cgi?read=91896 http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv014.cgi?read=67528 http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv014.cgi?read=64409 Gerson.

Re: HP17bii+ solver question Message #3 Posted by Don Shepherd on 24 Feb 2007, 10:59 a.m., in response to message #2 by Gerson W. Barbosa Thanks Gerson. Yes, I had noticed some of those threads before, and I guess I just hoped that the problems were fixed by now. I should have known better. You know, the beauty of computers and programming is (supposed to be) that they work the same way every time, with consistency, and according to their documentation. In my 33 years of programming on IBM, Univac, and DEC mainframes, that has been true. The only two cases where it was not true was with HP calculators; the original 12cp with 400 program steps that you could use only if you had no GTO's, and now the 17bii+. When a hobby is just frustrating, it's not a hobby anymore. I am returning to my 16c and my Martin guitar.

Re: HP17bii+ solver question Message #4 Posted by bill platt on 24 Feb 2007, 11:28 a.m., in response to message #3 by Don Shepherd When HP calculators become KinHPo calculators, sadly the attention to detail and quality simply evaporated. Buying a real 17bii is your only real option.

Re: HP17bii+ solver question Message #5 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 24 Feb 2007, 11:56 a.m., in response to message #3 by Don Shepherd Quote: the beauty of computers and programming is (supposed to be) that they work the same way every time, with consistency, and according to their documentation. That's quite true! Quote: The only two cases where it was not true was with HP calculators; the original 12cp with 400 program steps that you could use only if you had no GTO's, and now the 17bii+. At least that 12CP bug has been solved. If you want another example of lack of consistency between the 200LX and the HP-17BII solvers, consider this equation: COS=0*L(X:(-1)^(L(Q:IP(ABS(L(X:MOD((90-X):360)))/90))+ FACT(G(Q)))*((180*(G(Q)-IP(G(Q)/2)))-X))+L(Y:SIGMA(N:0:5:1: (-1)^N*(X*PI/540)^(2*N+1)/FACT(2*N+1)))*(3-4*SQ(G(Y))) The HP-200LX has no trouble solving for X, given COS. However, the HP-17BII returns the complement of the expected answer. It started working only when +0*L(X:90-X) was appended to the equation. This kind of thing is really frustrating. Regards, Gerson. Edited: 24 Feb 2007, 11:58 a.m.

solve question Message #6 Posted by chris on 6 Mar 2007, 6:48 a.m., in response to message #1 by Don Shepherd why did the framers made

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