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Can't we get rid of this J.C. Randerson ? Message #1 Posted by Jean-Edouard on 15 July 2004, 9:50 a.m. Once again, this hateful person doesn't bring anything to the forum, except his racist comments and his usual whinings. I hope we can maintain the nice level of friendliness and scientific value on these boards, without this low-life kind of "participants". Just my two cents.

No we can't because ... Message #2 Posted by Justin Case on 15 July 2004, 10:07 a.m., in response to message #1 by Jean-Edouard ... he can always post under any other name, alias, or whatever. The one and only way to deal with a troll, bigot, racist, or whatever is TO IGNORE HIM:, i.e: Don't ever answer to any of his messages Don't ever bite into quarreling with him or replying to any provocation Don't ever try to right any wrongs In other words, make him/her NONEXISTENT to any and all purposes. Essentially, a big and noisy PLONK !!

(deleted post) Message #3 Posted by deleted on 17 July 2004, 3:11 p.m., in response to message #1 by Jean-Edouard This Message was deleted. This empty message preserves the threading when a post with followup(s) is deleted.

Why we came here? ( HP Calculators) Message #4 Posted by Andrés C. Rodríguez (Argentina) on 17 July 2004, 8:52 p.m., in response to message #3 by deleted People who keep bringing discussions about their or that "FLAG" without keeping the proper "TONE" when "indirectly addressing" other visitors, must "RECALL" that this is a place to discuss HP calculators. So, here, a FLAG is a binary indicator that can be set, cleared and tested in a program. There may be a connection, because some of the offending messages show a rather binary attitude (everything is "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong"); so a good advise is to abandon such "BIN" "VIEW" and "ENTER" the "REAL" world, which is more "COMPLEX" that they ... think(?). Or are their thoughts "preprogrammed functions", set in ROM at once and forever? I wonder how such persons have been involved with any HP calculator; because for their kind of, say, mental activity, a device based on the Motorola MC 14500 CMOS CPU would have been powerful enough, and pretty cheaper. It should be noted that, while being a CMOS integrated circuit (a plus for "continuous memory" of a few quotations from the past), the 14500 was a rather curious 1-bit CPU, available at the time the HP41 was introduced. Rest assured, it has a "XOR" function. Number entry, I'm not as sure. Is that a problem for you? Thanks again to Dave Hicks for creating and maintaining this wonderful place, visited by (mostly) intelligent and respectful people from many places in the world; who are willing to help others about HP calculators, to share their knowledge, and to learn related issues.

Re: Why we came here? ( HP Calculators) Message #5 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 17 July 2004, 9:04 p.m., in response to message #4 by Andrés C. Rodríguez (Argentina) Thanks for your clever and witty answer!

Thank you, Massimo! (NT) Message #6 Posted by Andrés C. Rodríguez (Argentina) on 18 July 2004, 10:57 a.m., in response to message #5 by Massimo (Italy) .

The good and clever voices... Message #7 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 18 July 2004, 12:06 p.m., in response to message #4 by Andrés C. Rodríguez (Argentina) Hi Andrés and all others that make this a place to rest and share. I'd second you in all words and commas/periods; may I? I wish all "visitors" (as if I am not one o'them... ;^) could understand what you wrote and try to stay accordingly, not simply get rid of here. You mentioned people from many places in the world; who are willing to help others about HP calculators, to share their knowledge, and to learn related issues. You see? This is the first forum and so far the only one I participate at the internet. I read a few messages in other forums and used to think "It is too easy to post silly things and get others angry; maybe this is some sort of therapy...". When I first read the messages here, about three years ago, I simply could not stop reading till the day I thought I should participate. Well, history tells by itself. And unfortunately I must confess that in extreme cases like these, Mr. Justin Case is right: ignore them. I am sure that "cleaning mechanisms" exist and that Dave can act like a moderator and remove some trash material when the offenses are too damn deep and severe, but giving others the chance to express their positions like you and Justin Case did allows these "off duty guys" to realize they are not welcome not only because they don't fit in, but because others don't accept this. Good reading good posts again. Dave, sorry for adding some of what should not even happen. Luiz (Brazil) Edited: 18 July 2004, 12:11 p.m.

Moderating the Forum Message #8 Posted by Karl Schneider on 18 July 2004, 3:01 p.m., in response to message #7 by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) Luiz posted, Quote: Dave can act like a moderator and remove some trash material when the offenses are too damn deep and severe... In fact, Dave has. I strongly suspect that the post from "Justin Time" (now marked "Deleted:) was none other than J. C. Randerson, as was the subsequent one with a foreign-language expression as sender. Since no one responded, no "Deleted" placeholder was necessary. Dave told me that he had deleted some posts from the illiterate guy with all the questions about the HP-48.

Makes sense to me... ;^) (N.T.) Message #9 Posted by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) on 18 July 2004, 7:02 p.m., in response to message #8 by Karl Schneider

(deleted post) Message #10 Posted by deleted on 19 July 2004, 4:29 p.m., in response to message #9 by Vieira, Luiz C. (Brazil) This Message was deleted. This empty message preserves the threading when a post with followup(s) is deleted.

Re: Makes sense to me... ;^) (N.T.) Message #11 Posted by . the first on 20 July 2004, 4:41 a.m., in response to message #10 by deleted just for a record, someone is taking my . name, and acting like a retard. Its not me, and from this point on I'm not going to post here.

Re: Why we came here? ( HP Calculators) Message #12 Posted by Ren on 20 July 2004, 11:04 p.m., in response to message #4 by Andrés C. Rodríguez (Argentina) Andres wrote: "I wonder how such persons have been involved with any HP calculator; because for their kind of, say, mental activity, a device based on the Motorola MC 14500 CMOS CPU would have been powerful enough, and pretty cheaper." Hey! I resemble that statement! B^) One (such as myself) doesn't need to understand automotive engineering to appreciate a fine automobile. I stand (actually, sit at the PC...) in awe of the knowledge shown by members of this forum. I own several vintage HP calcs, and I may never approach the limits of their calculating usefulness, but I enjoy them as I enjoy seeing a Ferrari, a Monet, a Hubble photo, Michaelangelo's Pieta, hearing Mozart or Beethoven. And the "snob factor" of RPN appeals to me as well (C'mon guys! Admit it! The snob factor is a "fringe benefit" of the HP calc! B^). Andres, if you have difficulty with understanding the tone of my message (english), be assured it is written with light humor and no malice.

Clarification Message #13 Posted by Andrés C. Rodríguez (Argentina) on 21 July 2004, 1:25 p.m., in response to message #12 by Ren Ren: My message was an answer to some postings which have been deleted; so possibly you had no chance to know what I was responding to. When I referred to "such persons", I was not discussing the technical expertise of anyone. I apologize if I gave such impression, which would have been clearly wrong and inappropriate. I responded to the aggressive messages, threats, and "judgements" that some people had posted here, without any respect for other persons they don´t even know. Such postings were "based", among other things, in national origin, in religious beliefs, or in opinions about certain "real world" situations. Nothing to do with calculators or with civilized manners. Edited: 21 July 2004, 1:36 p.m.

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