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Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #1 Posted by Bruno Geuth on 18 June 2004, 2:59 p.m. Hi all HP 95lx fans, I am currently running a benchmark-oriented test on 2 machines: HP95lx against Psion 3C. This comparison makes sense since both machines have a lot in common: -Both machines are same size outside and screen size nearly same. -Lotus 123 built in (ROM) and same version: 2.2 -Built-in calculators: Both with financial functions -Both machines are MS DOS compatible (Psion = Flash MS DOS) -Agenda and phonebook functions very similar -PC connectivity: both with serial cable and infrared -Prices, new and secondhand: Vey comparable -Available software, be it paid, shareware or freeware: Lots and lots available for both machines -Available memory extension cards: Very comparable Very different: Processors: Psion runs on a strange EPOC NEC V30H 16bits (80C86 compatible at 7.68 Mhz), I need to know the HP95 processor (please HELP ME, cannot find it in the manuals) as far as I know it is an IBM XT compatible processor... -Internet-capability: I saw some software on the web to bring the HP95lx via modem on the net and for the Psion I saw PsiWinMail...and I am going to test both machines with a self-made cable on a little external modem (Typhoon Redfun Modem V.90 56K USB V.92Ready), ALL HELP/SUGESTIONS this concerning are very welcome! Since I do not want to travel around with my 2 machines, so here's what's at stake: The loser will be on sale and the winner travels further with me...so any arguments FOR the HP 95 are very welcome! (see, I am alraedy biassed for the HP before even starting the test...this can't go right :):) CAN YOU PLEASE HELP ME with setting benchmarks for the tests (functionality tests on financial calculations, spreadsheet tests, battery live, PC connectivity etc.) All possible or craziest ideas are more than welcome! Bruno

Re: Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #2 Posted by Richard Garner on 18 June 2004, 4:38 p.m., in response to message #1 by Bruno Geuth Check out this location. http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/forum.cgi?read=58823. It indicates that the hp95lx uses an NEC V20H running at 5.37MHz.

Re: Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #3 Posted by Aleph Mobius on 18 June 2004, 6:44 p.m., in response to message #2 by Richard Garner Just a bit of trivia, the Casio AFX 2.0 graphing calculator runs on an NEC V30. I have an HP100LX, which is the successor to the 95LX. Does either of the machines you have have full CGA support? IIRC, a new feature of the 100LX was that it could fully support the 320x200 CGA mode while the 95LX could not. What version of DOS does each machine have? I think the 95LX has 3.3 so you may want to check if all the software you want to run is compatible with that version. Also, you may want to check out the lithium batteries that Energizer makes. I have only used my 100LX maybe 6 or so hours since Christmas but the batteries are at still at 100%. I once put regular batteries in there, used it for a little less time than that, then left it in a desk drawer for 2 weeks. The batteries went from 100% to 5/8 just sitting there unused. Aleph Mobius

Re: Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #4 Posted by Bram on 19 June 2004, 4:36 a.m., in response to message #1 by Bruno Geuth Once upon a time I had to decide between *either* the 95LX and a Psion Series 3 (couldn't afford both ;-). Difficult choice, but in the end the HP didn't make it because the Psion had a built in programming language to develop your own functionalities, which was one of my criteria. So I went on with Psion and I'm still using my 3mx every day. And for the calculator part, I'm back with HP again. You'll understand that I strategically recommend the Psion to go on with and I'll be happy to help you get rid of the 95. Just kidding; good luck with your decision

Re: Your Benchmarks (...) brochure Message #5 Posted by Bram on 24 June 2004, 2:05 p.m., in response to message #4 by Bram Quote: Once upon a time I had to decide between *either* the 95LX and a Psion Series 3 (...) Even at the time I wrote the above I didn't think of a brochure that I have. Not until a few days later did I suddenly realize it. After this I immediately remembered its whereabouts. And guess what? I found it right away at the place it had been for 10 years, give or take 2. Memory is a funny thing. It's a Dutch brochure (sorry for that) and you can find the cover page here.

Re: Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #6 Posted by Gordon Dyer on 19 June 2004, 7:40 a.m., in response to message #1 by Bruno Geuth I have a Psion 3mx (2x speed of 3C) and have always been very impressed with it. Which you prefer depends on what you use it for. If you are a DOS programmer or have DOS programs you want to run then use the 95. If you want a really nice diary and small database system with excellent programming in OPL then use the Psion. If you have created any benchmark progs let me know and I will run them on my Psion for you.

Re: Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #7 Posted by Veli-Pekka Nousiainen on 19 June 2004, 9:29 a.m., in response to message #6 by Gordon Dyer Where can I buy Psion 3mx (2x speed of 3C)? To my opinion the 3c was the best Psion ever. The Psion 5 lacks the programming language )-: [VPN] PS: I'm willing to trade it even for a HP-41CX

Re: Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #8 Posted by Bram on 19 June 2004, 1:06 p.m., in response to message #7 by Veli-Pekka Nousiainen Quote: The Psion 5 lacks the programming language It doesn't. Both 5 and 5mx run OPL. Even the Revo can easily do it. But nevertheless I agree with you: 3c was the best. 3mx closely second best. Every now and then Psions are offered on PDA.totaal (with Symbian, PocketPC, Palm and still Psion), but it's mainly in Dutch. And btw I'm promoting HP there as much as appropriate, and right at this time I'm doing the other way round. Funny world we live in....

Re: Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #9 Posted by Veli-Pekka Nousiainen on 20 June 2004, 10:30 a.m., in response to message #8 by Bram "It doesn't. Both 5 and 5mx run OPL. Even the Revo can easily do it." What? Do they? I tried the Psion 5 and did not find the calculator anymore... I really like to program my own functions and I would certainly want to buy an advanced Psion (is 5mx "bigger") to complete my collection... Can you please give me URL to Psion 5(mx) info and write here whatever you can about the calc app [VPN]

off track; for VPN Message #10 Posted by Bram on 20 June 2004, 2:01 p.m., in response to message #9 by Veli-Pekka Nousiainen A short one, because we're going heavily off topic now. I think you're interchanging calculator and program. Both are separate applications on a 5: "calc" on the button bar and "program" on the extra's bar. With Series 3 you could write your own procedures in "program" and execute them in "calc". This facility was dropped from Series 5 and further. (One of the reasons why I think 3 was better. Or more precisely: better thought out). I must have liked it because my HP-29C in a way follows the same approach. (AND has RPN ;-) I don't know of any pdf user manuals for Psion like HP has, but I will remember you when I find something.

[OT] Psion 3C & 3mx Message #11 Posted by Veli-Pekka Nousiainen on 20 June 2004, 3:38 p.m., in response to message #10 by Bram Series 3C & 3mx are how different? I think I'm going to get one Any URL to 3C & 3mx? [VPN]

Re: [OT] Psion 3C & 3mx Message #12 Posted by Bram on 21 June 2004, 5:32 p.m., in response to message #11 by Veli-Pekka Nousiainen OK, I'll keep it short 3mx runs faster, has faster serial interface (up to 115k (3c 57k6)), has always backlight, has always 2MB internal memory, has smooth case. 3c uses same battery for both backup and memory cards, some models lack the backlight, some models are 1MB, PsiMail, the internet conmnection, runs smoothly on 3c, not always on 3mx (personal experience). Don't know of good URL, other than searching the web. You do it better yourself, I think.

Re: Your Benchmarks please for on-going test: Comparison HP 95 LX (512K) against Psion 3C (2M) Message #13 Posted by Gordon Dyer on 21 June 2004, 6:56 p.m., in response to message #7 by Veli-Pekka Nousiainen If you search eBay for Psion 3mx you will find some for sale. They are the ultimate series 3 and fetch higher prices than 3c. Try this one: Item number: 5102045792

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