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33S: already a collectable! Message #1 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 29 Feb 2004, 7:36 p.m. Who says that earlier and classical models are too expensive? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080233293 Bah, Massimo

Even more! Message #2 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 1 Mar 2004, 4:13 a.m., in response to message #1 by Massimo (Italy) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3081855233&category=20335

Re: Even more! Message #3 Posted by Randy Smith on 1 Mar 2004, 8:19 a.m., in response to message #2 by Massimo (Italy) Do you suppose he's charging $250 for the programs??

Re: Even more! Message #4 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 2 Mar 2004, 2:35 a.m., in response to message #3 by Randy Smith No, only $35... see: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082076992&category=20335 Massimo

Higher Yet!! Message #5 Posted by George on 1 Mar 2004, 7:25 p.m., in response to message #1 by Massimo (Italy) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3080268576&category=58039&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1

I'd be willing to part with mine . . . Message #6 Posted by Paul Brogger on 1 Mar 2004, 9:35 p.m., in response to message #5 by George I guess I should have ordered TEN of 'em!

Re: Higher Yet!! Message #7 Posted by gifron on 1 Mar 2004, 11:26 p.m., in response to message #5 by George That's crazy!!!

Someone please stop'em Message #8 Posted by Massimo (Italy) on 2 Mar 2004, 2:39 a.m., in response to message #5 by George Last post on the subject (I promise): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3082082681&category=58039 Massimo

Re: Someone please stop'em Message #9 Posted by Namir on 2 Mar 2004, 5:49 a.m., in response to message #8 by Massimo (Italy) That HP33s is NOT selling at $325!

Re: You're Right . . . It didn't sell Message #10 Posted by Paul Brogger on 3 Mar 2004, 9:41 a.m., in response to message #9 by Namir Apparently, there aren't many willing to pay $325.00 . . . And the previous exhorbitant sale was won by a bidder with Zero feedback (though there were some sizeable bids from non-zero types).

Re: Higher Yet!! Message #11 Posted by Wayne Stephens on 2 Mar 2004, 7:39 a.m., in response to message #5 by George Hell, I'll part with BOTH of mine at $300.00+ each. What's WRONG with people? Wayne.

Help the NCEES guys out Message #12 Posted by bill platt on 2 Mar 2004, 9:45 a.m., in response to message #1 by Massimo (Italy) In service to those persons desparate for RPN in April, I urge you to list your 33s on E-bay. You will ease the pain of those who are looking for a tool, and you will make enough money to help with your next collectible purchase----and then you can buy a 33S all over again, from Eric Rechlin or Walmart or whatever, when the rush is over......

Re: Help the NCEES guys out Message #13 Posted by Arnaud Amiel on 2 Mar 2004, 4:03 p.m., in response to message #12 by bill platt A good engineer should know the cost of things. Those who bought these calcs either won't use them for NCEES or if they do, they don't deserve to pass their exam. Arnaud (Should I auction my 32sII???)

Re: Help the NCEES guys out Message #14 Posted by bill platt on 2 Mar 2004, 4:38 p.m., in response to message #13 by Arnaud Amiel Hi Arnaud, Yes, perhaps you should; however, just remember that this is an artificial bubble---and all bubbles burst at the end. I have already noticed at least two re-sellers buying at relatively inflated prices----the only thing I can figure is that they are anticipating the 32sii values to really spike up in the final week before the exams---say $400+ for a 32sii. Of course, this is a great deal if you came in low---but.....you get the picture..... I think I will use my slide rule when I finally get around to taking the PE exam.

Re: Help the NCEES guys out Message #15 Posted by Tom (UK) on 3 Mar 2004, 7:14 a.m., in response to message #14 by bill platt Can you use a slide rule in the NCEES exams? I'm wondering because you can use it to store text messages by using a pen or pencil to write all over it. Mind you that would also stop the use of paper... Does the NCEES allow 'Mr Memory' type show men to enter the exam, after all they should be able to take out copies of the questions in their heads. My point is that while the Ti89 and HP49 series of calcs could be used to 'cheat' or copy out questions I don't see why they should ban middle ranking calcs. If a few middle ranking ones were allowed and the examiners knew how to reset them at the begining and end of the exam I can't see a problem.

Re: Help the NCEES guys out Message #16 Posted by Arnaud Amiel on 3 Mar 2004, 11:52 a.m., in response to message #15 by Tom (UK) Wouldn't it be possible to store the questions in a very very long equation using the 32k available in the 33? Arnaud

Shhhhhhhhhh! Message #17 Posted by Wayne Stephens on 3 Mar 2004, 12:39 p.m., in response to message #16 by Arnaud Amiel Hey, man, what are ya trying to do? Next thing you know they'll banning this one!!! : ) Take care. Wayne.

(deleted post) Message #18 Posted by deleted on 3 Mar 2004, 4:17 p.m., in response to message #16 by Arnaud Amiel This Message was deleted. This empty message preserves the threading when a post with followup(s) is deleted.

"Four score and seven years ago ... " Message #19 Posted by Paul Brogger on 3 Mar 2004, 5:10 p.m., in response to message #18 by deleted I just entered the first 254 bytes of what I remember of the Gettysburg Address into an "equation" in my 33s. (At 255 bytes, EQN mode stops taking input and objects.) I suppose I could enter many such equations into a program, with one byte consumed for each letter (upper case alphanumerics and function codes only, with no punctuation to speak of) and three bytes of overhead for each separate equation entered. As I went, I became quite accustomed to the typing, wherein one must, for each & every alpha character, hit either STO or RCL and then the desired letter. It's comparable to (but maybe a bit easier than) the HP-42s character entry facility. I can review the string by scanning from left to right. If I try to "edit" it, I have to start deleting characters from the extreme right, all the way back to the part I wish to change (I left out "forth" from the phrase "brought forth a new nation") and then retype everything. Is THAT a "text-editing feature"? Edited: 3 Mar 2004, 5:15 p.m.

Re: "Four score and seven years ago ... " Message #20 Posted by Jeff on 4 Mar 2004, 7:51 a.m., in response to message #19 by Paul Brogger You would probably need to ask this guy: Bill Dickerson, P. E. Chair, Committee on Examination Policy and Procedures National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying The above gentleman authored an article entitled “Are we moving in the right direction on calculators” in the December 2003 issue of the Licensure Exchange publication of the NCEES. I checked the NCEES web site, the above gentleman’s e-mail address is not provided. You could probably e-mail one of the several customer service representatives whose names and e-mail addresses are provided. What you describe for the 33s certainly does not sound like “text editing” capability to me, but I believe it beats what you could do on a 42S, which was banned. If the 42S text capability is not objectionable, then the infra-red printing capability is meaningless, so it must have been the text. On the one hand, I would like to have NCEES review this capability and rule on the 33s. They have been stating for months that the 33s is acceptable. Would they do an about face and in a knee-jerk reaction suddenly ban a calculator that many people have purchased specifically to use on the tests this April? Or would they rationally realize that to copy the test into a bunch of equations on a 33s would require a two-handed continuous typing frenzy by a cheater, which would be pretty obvious to the proctors, and so reasonably conclude that the 33s is still OK? Since I assume the former, on the other hand, I hope this does not come to the attention of the NCEES.

Re: "Four score and seven years ago ... " Message #21 Posted by Norris on 4 Mar 2004, 12:39 p.m., in response to message #20 by Jeff The NCEES calculator policy is spelled out at http://www.ncees.org/exams/calculators/#policy It states the following: "Of great concern is the ability to type in text, store it in memory, and then communicate via wireless or cable connections to another calculator, personal computer, printer, or other electronic device. If a calculator model can be made to communicate through the use of modules, software, and/or other add-on devices, then this calculator is deemed to possess communication capabilities and will be prohibited." Technically, this "ability" exists on the four banned HP calculators: the 41, 42, 48, and 49. These models all have some degree of text storage capability (admittedly poor in the 41/42), and communication capability (with add-ons for the 41). This "ability" does not exist on the NCEES-approved 32 and 33. Yes, these models have some degree of text storage capability. But no, they cannot "communicate via wireless or cable connections." I don't agree with the NCEES policy, but I think I can see the logic behind their "banned" and "approved" calculator lists. Edited: 4 Mar 2004, 1:32 p.m.

Equation Editing Message #22 Posted by Brooks Rownd on 5 Mar 2004, 12:25 p.m., in response to message #19 by Paul Brogger I couldn't believe it when I got to the end of a long equation, and realized that the only way I could correct something at the beginning was to delete nearly the whole thing to get back to it, or start over again. WTF? Don't they realize this is 2004 already? Also, another stupid thing is when you put a "constant" in an equation it just enters the actual number, rather than the constant symbol. Makes the equations unreadable. Stupid. bkr

Re: Help the NCEES guys out Message #23 Posted by Norris on 4 Mar 2004, 12:15 p.m., in response to message #15 by Tom (UK) <<Can you use a slide rule in the NCEES exams? I'm wondering because you can use it to store text messages by using a pen or pencil to write all over it. Mind you that would also stop the use of paper...>> You underestimate NCEES. They don't just obsess about calculators; they have policies about handwriting too. You can use a slide rule in NCEES exams, and it can even have handwritten messages on it. You can also bring in books or papers with handwritten notes (as long as it's an open-book exam). But there is a catch: *all* handwritten notes that you bring to the exam *must be in INK*. Handwritten notes in pencil are illegal. You are not allowed to bring any pens or pencils to the exam. Inside the exam room, you are issued an official NCEES mechanical pencil. You are only allowed to write with it on the exam materials, all of which must be returned intact (no missing pages). So if you were found writing notes on your slide rule with the NCEES pencil, you could be disqualified. Furthermore, the mere presence of pencil notes on your slide rule, or on any of your books or papers, could also be grounds for disqualification.

Re: Help the NCEES guys out Message #24 Posted by Wayne Stephens on 2 Mar 2004, 8:21 p.m., in response to message #12 by bill platt bill, Just thought I'd let you know that I have listed my extra 33S on ebay. It should show up soon, and I have a "not as mercenary as the other guys" Buy It Now price on it. I do expect to get more for it than I paid. After all, I'm not a Communist!! I hope someone gets it and finds it useful in the PE or LS exam. I passed my PE exam quite a while back with an 11C, and a newly acquired (at the time) 42s as "back-up". If I recall correctly, I paid $65 for that 42S in the "clearance" bin at a Best Products store in Richmond Virginia. My how times have changed. Take care. Wayne. Edited: 2 Mar 2004, 8:23 p.m.

Re: Help the NCEES guys out Message #25 Posted by bill platt on 3 Mar 2004, 8:47 a.m., in response to message #24 by Wayne Stephens Hi Wayne, The only Buy it Now I see now is $320---did yours already go? And for how much? Regards, Bill

Re: Help the NCEES guys out Message #26 Posted by Wayne Stephens on 3 Mar 2004, 9:15 a.m., in response to message #25 by bill platt Someone opened bidding at my minimum, so "Buy It Now" went away. I'm not at all experienced at selling on ebay (this is my first); I think the Delta between my opening bid and the Buy it Now was too great. No one "bit" at the Buy It Now Price. In any case, it looks like a reseller has started the bidding at $80. I'm not sure there is any way to stop those guys, but I sure would like to see a REAL calculator user get it. I guess I should have just offered it up in the Classified Ads here. Oh, well, there's still 6 days left in the auction; maybe someone who is about to take an NCEES test can "snipe" it at the end. Take care. Wayne.

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