HP Forum Archive 07

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challenge Message #1 Posted by mapet on 16 Jan 2002, 8:59 a.m. Find the HP calc which has the highest % of 1-function keys !

HP-70 Message #2 Posted by Mike on 16 Jan 2002, 9:23 a.m., in response to message #1 by mapet There may be more than 1 answer but the HP-70 is 100% 1 function keys, isn't it?

Re: HP-70 Message #3 Posted by Ernie Malaga on 16 Jan 2002, 12:59 p.m., in response to message #2 by Mike So is the HP-35, although one might object that the [arc] key gives [sin], [cos] and [tan] two functions apiece. -Ernie

Re: challenge Message #4 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 17 Jan 2002, 9:00 a.m., in response to message #1 by mapet It depends on the point of view. An IBM host is event driven where you may write several commands on a command line (or in a fullscreen application at several places) and only if you press ENTER (or a PF or PA key) the CPU starts working. Every calculator I know (HP-41) is a "key-per-function" machine where for every key hit the CPU clock starts. AFAIK this even holds true for a PC. From the point of view for a normal user who interacts with a command line system like DOS (or a HP-71B) this looks like an event driven OS. But if you install on DOS some typing aids (like QuickLX from www.DAsoft.com) you will easily see that a HP200LX is a "key-per-funktion" from some point of view. Ciao.....Mike PS: was this the expected answer to your challenge?

1-Function key Message #5 Posted by Mike on 17 Jan 2002, 9:38 a.m., in response to message #4 by Mike (Stgt) Not really. The question was 1-Function per key. "key-per-function" is not the same as "1-function per key" All calculators can be called "key-per-function but not all calculators can be called 1-function per key. Context comes into play. A key per function means that everytime you hit a key "some function is executed." That function does not have to be the same, to be called a "key-per-function." Context may be important. The function executed, may depend on what was pressed prior to the key being pressed. Both the HP-67 and the HP-70 can be called "key-per-function." You press a key and something happens. Ex: SIN executes the function to display a '4' on the HP-67 but if the 'f' is pressed first, a sine function is executed. Context may matter and still be a "key-per-function" machine. In the question asked, only 1-functions per key was the topic. Context does not matter. No matter when you hit the key only 1-funcction is executed. A 1-function per key means that everytime you hit the key, "the same function" is executed. Context is not important. It does not matter what occurred prior to touching the key.

Re: 1-Function key Message #6 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 17 Jan 2002, 1:17 p.m., in response to message #5 by Mike But if I hit SIN it depends on the contents of the X-register what happens. ;-) Ciao.....Mike

Sorry.... function not answer Message #7 Posted by Mike on 17 Jan 2002, 5:18 p.m., in response to message #6 by Mike (Stgt) Sorry, but we are speaking of function, not answer:-) The same functions is executed. However, I was prepared for a different response from you:-) I figured you'd come back with, "depends on whether you are in radians or degree mode." I would have responded, "no trig functions on an HP-70" It's been a fun discussion, though. Mike

Re: Sorry.... function not answer Message #8 Posted by Mike (Stgt) on 18 Jan 2002, 5:17 a.m., in response to message #7 by Mike Oh yes, I forgot RAD/GRAD/DEG. What I had in mind was, that depending on the contents of the X register SIN is calculated in a different manner. In other words if you hit the key a different branch in firmware is executed. This is easily seen on early HP-35 or HP-41 with a bug. Of cause, for the end user it is allways SIN what is executed, but from my point of view: with a different function (started with the same key). Ey! How you remarked that my appends are not to be taken too serious? Ciao.....Mike

HP10 Message #9 Posted by Greg Harris (Sydney Australia) on 17 Jan 2002, 7:48 p.m., in response to message #1 by mapet I dont have one to check... How about the HP10 adding machine? Greg

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