Suggestion for New Version
11-16-2017, 10:38 AM
Post: #1
 toml_12953 Senior Member Posts: 1,917 Joined: Dec 2013
Suggestion for New Version
I know the Beta threads aren't the place to suggest new features so I'm putting this here. When deleting a program, I'd like to see the program name instead of the word "this"

Using a program called PRIMES as an example:

"Are you sure you want to delete this program?"

I'd like to see

"Are you sure you want to delete program PRIMES?"

When deleting anything, I like more confirmation rather than less.

Tom L
Cui bono?
11-16-2017, 01:14 PM
Post: #2
 Eddie W. Shore Senior Member Posts: 1,358 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Suggestion for New Version
That's a great suggestion.
11-16-2017, 02:02 PM
Post: #3
 StephenG1CMZ Senior Member Posts: 943 Joined: May 2015
RE: Suggestion for New Version
And could we also make "Are you sure you want to delete all your programs" a bit less accessible.
Its frightening how often I have touched something and somehow found myself one keystroke away from losing everything (or alternatively, an Undelete command).

Stephen Lewkowicz (G1CMZ)
11-16-2017, 04:11 PM
Post: #4
 toml_12953 Senior Member Posts: 1,917 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 02:02 PM)StephenG1CMZ Wrote:  And could we also make "Are you sure you want to delete all your programs" a bit less accessible.
Its frightening how often I have touched something and somehow found myself one keystroke away from losing everything (or alternatively, an Undelete command).

Yes! Until then, backup, Backup, BACKUP!!

Tom L
Cui bono?
11-16-2017, 07:04 PM
Post: #5
 Arno K Senior Member Posts: 462 Joined: Mar 2015
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 02:02 PM)StephenG1CMZ Wrote:  And could we also make "Are you sure you want to delete all your programs" a bit less accessible.
Its frightening how often I have touched something and somehow found myself one keystroke away from losing everything (or alternatively, an Undelete command).

How often do you think did I lose everything on my VC because of that keyboard error I discribed earlier, Shift stays selected and Esc then clears everything from the calc depending on where you are: new program nearly finished and gone, stack cleared...I ended making a backup always when I start a new program and even when I got some first version running.
Arno
11-16-2017, 07:29 PM
Post: #6
 Tim Wessman Senior Member Posts: 2,281 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Suggestion for New Version
Combining text actually is quite tricky one you start dealing with translations. Different languages have different forms and orders. Starts to get tricky.

Anyway, good suggestion regarding the text.

How many "are you sure" prompts do you feel you'd have to go through before you'd feel ok though...

TW

Although I work for HP, the views and opinions I post here are my own.
11-16-2017, 07:38 PM
Post: #7
 Han Senior Member Posts: 1,882 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Suggestion for New Version

Code:
 Are you sure you want to delete this program?              MYPROGRAM [ Yes ]                              [ No ]

The prompt window should just include the program name without having to insert it in any particular place within the question. Just have it sit on its own line so it is absolutely clear what program is being deleted.

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11-16-2017, 07:42 PM (This post was last modified: 11-16-2017 07:42 PM by Tim Wessman.)
Post: #8
 Tim Wessman Senior Member Posts: 2,281 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 07:38 PM)Han Wrote:  How about

Code:
 Are you sure you want to delete this program?              MYPROGRAM [ Yes ]                              [ No ]

Yes, something like that was my thinking.

TW

Although I work for HP, the views and opinions I post here are my own.
11-16-2017, 07:45 PM (This post was last modified: 11-16-2017 07:46 PM by DrD.)
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 DrD Senior Member Posts: 1,132 Joined: Feb 2014
RE: Suggestion for New Version
If those are check boxes, so much the better, but even as soft-keys that is a great idea, Han! It embodies all the safe guards necessary to prevent inadvertent deletes.

-Dale-
11-16-2017, 08:12 PM (This post was last modified: 11-16-2017 08:35 PM by StephenG1CMZ.)
Post: #10
 StephenG1CMZ Senior Member Posts: 943 Joined: May 2015
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 07:29 PM)Tim Wessman Wrote:  Combining text actually is quite tricky one you start dealing with translations. Different languages have different forms and orders. Starts to get tricky.

Anyway, good suggestion regarding the text.

How many "are you sure" prompts do you feel you'd have to go through before you'd feel ok though...

There is always one too many when you are right, and at least one too few when you are wrong.
Given that I cannot recall ever wanting to delete all my programs, I think this would benefit from an additional step.
I never want to accidentally slip into exam mode either.
Perhaps a "Don't really do that" check box in the configuration settings would help.

Also, emphasize PROGRAMS or NOTES - I once deleted my newly finished Programs/myprogram, thinking I was deleting my completed to-do list in Notes/myprogram. Perhaps Notes could have a different colour?

Stephen Lewkowicz (G1CMZ)
11-16-2017, 08:20 PM
Post: #11
 kusmi Junior Member Posts: 26 Joined: Feb 2014
RE: Suggestion for New Version
Even better would be the Mac standard to make it even more obvious:

Code:
 Are you sure you want to delete this program?              MYPROGRAM [ Delete ]                              [ Cancel ]
11-16-2017, 08:43 PM (This post was last modified: 11-16-2017 08:46 PM by StephenG1CMZ.)
Post: #12
 StephenG1CMZ Senior Member Posts: 943 Joined: May 2015
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 04:11 PM)toml_12953 Wrote:
(11-16-2017 02:02 PM)StephenG1CMZ Wrote:  And could we also make "Are you sure you want to delete all your programs" a bit less accessible.
Its frightening how often I have touched something and somehow found myself one keystroke away from losing everything (or alternatively, an Undelete command).

Yes! Until then, backup, Backup, BACKUP!!

Backups are of course not easy on Android if you are away from a PC for some time...
It is tempting to rely on in-place backups (prog,progA...) given that one cannot write to SD card - and in-place backups wouldn't help here.

One useful tip to backup away from a PC: You can backup your Programs into Notes (And your Notes into Programs, although I'm not sure if formatting is preserved). Then if you "delete all programs" they are still on-device.

Stephen Lewkowicz (G1CMZ)
11-16-2017, 09:00 PM (This post was last modified: 11-16-2017 09:01 PM by Tim Wessman.)
Post: #13
 Tim Wessman Senior Member Posts: 2,281 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Suggestion for New Version
What about a "swiper" instead to trigger the delete? (the screen that you start exam mode with for example if you haven't seen that recently)

Code:
 Are you sure you want to delete this program?              MYPROGRAM    [ICON]   ...animated arrow moving to the right and fading                                 [ Cancel ]

TW

Although I work for HP, the views and opinions I post here are my own.
11-16-2017, 09:01 PM
Post: #14
 toml_12953 Senior Member Posts: 1,917 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 07:38 PM)Han Wrote:  How about

Code:
 Are you sure you want to delete this program?              MYPROGRAM [ Yes ]                              [ No ]

The prompt window should just include the program name without having to insert it in any particular place within the question. Just have it sit on its own line so it is absolutely clear what program is being deleted.

Sure! Anything to clearly indicate what program is about to be deleted would be OK with me!

Tom L
Cui bono?
11-16-2017, 09:32 PM
Post: #15
 Arno K Senior Member Posts: 462 Joined: Mar 2015
RE: Suggestion for New Version
If I select "Yes" or move some slider, that doesn't really matter, a prevention should be built in. Perhaps another idea could be a waste-paper-bin in flash (I don't think anybody has a filled up flash-memory) with the possibility to recover files, perhaps with an automated delete after some days.
Arno
11-16-2017, 10:27 PM
Post: #16
 StephenG1CMZ Senior Member Posts: 943 Joined: May 2015
RE: Suggestion for New Version
Another place that would benefit from a name would be the "Program Parameters" screen.
Selecting from a list of exported procedures in the Run menu, the screen switches to "Program Parameters" and a list of parameters... Given a long list of procedures with similar parameters, there is no way of knowing if you tapped one away from where you intended.
Perhaps the first "parameter" shown should be "Procedure Name".

Stephen Lewkowicz (G1CMZ)
11-16-2017, 11:23 PM
Post: #17
 primer Member Posts: 135 Joined: Sep 2015
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 07:38 PM)Han Wrote:
Code:
 Are you sure you want to delete this program?              MYPROGRAM [ Yes ]                              [ No ]
Hey, it remind me the good old "try to recover memory ?"

I like it....

primer
11-17-2017, 10:28 AM
Post: #18
 ggauny@live.fr Senior Member Posts: 566 Joined: Nov 2014
RE: Suggestion for New Version
Hi Primer,

Exactly ! Me too like it.

Gérard.
11-17-2017, 10:43 AM
Post: #19
 toml_12953 Senior Member Posts: 1,917 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 07:29 PM)Tim Wessman Wrote:  Combining text actually is quite tricky one you start dealing with translations. Different languages have different forms and orders. Starts to get tricky.

Anyway, good suggestion regarding the text.

How many "are you sure" prompts do you feel you'd have to go through before you'd feel ok though...

I don't need more prompts, just better ones!

Tom L
Cui bono?
11-17-2017, 12:37 PM
Post: #20
 f_d_reckermann Junior Member Posts: 4 Joined: Jun 2016
RE: Suggestion for New Version
(11-16-2017 07:29 PM)Tim Wessman Wrote:  How many "are you sure" prompts do you feel you'd have to go through before you'd feel ok though...

I'm still undecided, however the final prompt should read:
"This is the last chance to change your mind about ..."
That'd remind me of the old days and HP-UX 7.

Best,
FDR
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