Broken calculator
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09-02-2017, 01:40 PM
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Broken calculator
Hi,
I'm looking for a source of a broken calculator, preferably a casio fx-502p. My aim is to decap the processor and hopefully extract the program that it runs. I have two fx-502ps, but both of them work and it seems criminal to destroy one in order to do this. Does anyone have a completely broken 502p? Andrew |
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09-02-2017, 02:05 PM
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RE: Broken calculator
(09-02-2017 01:40 PM)blackjetrock Wrote: Hi, I can give you an 602P with a strange behaviour if you give me an 502P (or something similar - eg. an HP35s, HP10C, HP41 Time Module, Suunto Vector (workable but scratched is OK) etc...) Csaba |
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09-02-2017, 03:09 PM
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RE: Broken calculator
(09-02-2017 02:05 PM)Csaba Tizedes Wrote:(09-02-2017 01:40 PM)blackjetrock Wrote: Hi, What strange behaviour is it showing? It sounds like it's not totally dead and I don't want to destroy any of these machines unless they are utterly dead. |
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09-02-2017, 05:57 PM
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RE: Broken calculator
(09-02-2017 03:09 PM)blackjetrock Wrote:(09-02-2017 02:05 PM)Csaba Tizedes Wrote: I can give you an 602P with a strange behaviour if you give me an 502P (or something similar - eg. an HP35s, HP10C, HP41 Time Module, Suunto Vector (workable but scratched is OK) etc...) When I go home I'll make a video and you can see. It's works, but "random" characters appears on the LCD when you type characters. Csaba |
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09-03-2017, 06:11 AM
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RE: Broken calculator
DO you have any specifics on the processor used by these machines ? Is it similar to say the one in a FX-850P ? I know it is a later machine
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09-03-2017, 09:37 AM
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RE: Broken calculator
(09-03-2017 06:11 AM)Alejandro Paz(Germany) Wrote: DO you have any specifics on the processor used by these machines ? Is it similar to say the one in a FX-850P ? I know it is a later machine There's a lot of information on casio calculators here: http://www.pisi.com.pl/piotr433/ This page has the schematic created by reverse engineering, so there's quite a lot of information about the pins: http://www.pisi.com.pl/piotr433/fx502sch.pdf I'm pretty sure that the FX850P uses a different processor. The newer the technology, the harder it is to see the features on the chip as they get smaller and smaller. The older Casios should be OK for viewing, up to the FX880, I'd guess. I also found this on the hp forums: (02-26-2017 11:12 PM)jebem Wrote: Good question on the processor type, Alejandro. |
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09-03-2017, 10:11 AM
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09-03-2017, 12:47 PM
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(09-02-2017 03:09 PM)blackjetrock Wrote: I can give you an 602P ... it's not totally dead and I don't want to destroy any of these machines unless they are utterly dead. So, check my video, this is clearly shows what is the problem with it. If you're interested, I'm ready to trade it for something. Of course we will discuss in private how I will compare the price difference of the two stuffs. Please send me a private if you're interested and I will send what is interested for me. Csaba |
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09-04-2017, 05:25 AM
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Quote:Good question on the processor type, Alejandro. Ups, I may have asked twice... |
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04-22-2018, 12:00 PM
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RE: Broken calculator
I have taken an fx602p apart and removed the processor chip. It was broken in some way so this wasn't destruction of a working example. I then decapped the chip and photographed it.
I have attached a low-ish resolution photo of it for perusal. I have higher resolution photos for anyone who wants one. Unfortunately it's got some flaws and I'm going to redo the photos sometime. Then, when I have a perfect photo I'm going to have a go at removing th etop layers to see if I can see some ROM contents. |
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04-24-2018, 08:04 AM
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Wow, that's cool. But how does one actually go about extracting the program from that image? Seems really difficult.
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04-24-2018, 09:52 AM
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RE: Broken calculator
(04-24-2018 08:04 AM)Dan Wrote: Wow, that's cool. But how does one actually go about extracting the program from that image? Seems really difficult. You said it! I know that you have to inspect the image to see which bits are ones and which are zeroes but where do you start and which way do you read them? It's like magic to me! Tom L I don't care for whom you voted. If you put ice in your beer, you're crazy. |
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04-25-2018, 07:22 PM
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RE: Broken calculator
Well, I have to first find the 0s and 1s, I'm not sure I'll be able to do that, but I'm going to have a go once I have a decent clean die shot of the chip as it is at the moment. I've written a tool that should be able to extract the ROM data (I've used it on another calculator, a Casio HL-802, which has it's ROM data visible without any layer removal). Then, it's a case of unscrambling the bits so they are arranged in the correct order. You can use the circuitry that is visible to do some of this, for instance looking at which address lines go to which rows. Then you have to work out what the data is doing. If there's a well known microcontroller then you're OK as you can hopefully get the instruction set. If the ROM drives a custom state machine though, then you'll have to decode that too. It's early days for me at the moment, I'm still coming to grips with what transistor look like and so on.
If you want to see an example of this then have a look at this page, it's fascinating: http://files.righto.com/calculator/sincl...lator.html |
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