What is a complete voyager collection?
10-31-2016, 12:42 PM
Post: #1
 PANAMATIK Senior Member Posts: 886 Joined: Oct 2014
What is a complete voyager collection?
Of course it is never complete! But I received my HP-10C for 39 $today and now I have all of the original voyager models 10C, 11C, 12C, 15C 16C in working condition. I also bought the DM15L and a new 12C version last year. What are the pros and cons for having the 12C platinum and the 15C limited edition? Are there more noticeable models around. And why is there the gap between 12 and 15 ? Bernhard That's one small step for a man - one giant leap for mankind. 10-31-2016, 02:02 PM Post: #2  striegel Member Posts: 188 Joined: May 2015 Pure speculation (10-31-2016 12:42 PM)PANAMATIK Wrote: ... And why is there the gap between 12 and 15 ? Bernhard My guess is that 13 is considered an unlucky number and generally to be avoided. Since the programmer's calculator can deal in hexadecimal, it probably seemed more natural to go straight to the 16c. Alan 10-31-2016, 02:29 PM Post: #3  hibiki Junior Member Posts: 22 Joined: Sep 2016 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? I think there is no logic in model numbering sequence. It started with 35 (number of buttons), jumped to 45, 55, 65, 70, 80. Returned to 21, 22, 25, 27, 29. Spices follow the 30´s sequence, as Voyagers follow 10´s. There are some foreigners in these sequences (10b, 14b, 17b, 18C, 19B, 32S, 35S, 38G, 39G). Pioneers follow a more strange sequence: 10B, 14B. 20S, 21S, 22S, 27S, 32S, 42S. The suffix letters are worst. Some financial calculators are B (business), other are C (continuous memory), and even E (37E, 38E). The only logic is G (graphic) and S (scientific). If I remember well (and with the calculator poster), some numbers were never used: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 24, 26, 36, 43, 44, 46, 47, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 57, 58, 59 (this 50´s sequence of TI calculators), 60, 62, 63, 64, 66, 68, 69, 72, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 93, 94, 96, 98, 99. I have noted that some numbers never used, are TI models: 36, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 57, 58, 59, 66, 83, 84, 86, etc. Maybe an agreement to not make mess with the competitors. My calcs: HP12C, HP15C, HP17BII+, HP20S, HP20B, HP32SII, HP34C, HP35S, HP42S, HP48GX. 10-31-2016, 03:19 PM Post: #4  HP-Collection Senior Member Posts: 345 Joined: Dec 2013 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? (10-31-2016 02:29 PM)hibiki Wrote: If I remember well (and with the calculator poster), some numbers were never used: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 24, 26, 36, 43, 44, 46, 47, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 57, 58, 59 (this 50´s sequence of TI calculators), 60, 62, 63, 64, 66, 68, 69, 72, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 93, 94, 96, 98, 99. Some corrections: - There was a HP-94 (three version, D, E, F) - HP-44 was the prototype of the HP-71B (see here ) - HP-46A was a desk calculator, as well as HP-81A Have a look at HP-Collection 10-31-2016, 03:40 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2016 03:41 PM by hibiki.) Post: #5  hibiki Junior Member Posts: 22 Joined: Sep 2016 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? (10-31-2016 03:19 PM)HP-Collection Wrote: - There was a HP-94 (three version, D, E, F) - HP-44 was the prototype of the HP-71B (see here ) - HP-46A was a desk calculator, as well as HP-81A Have a look at HP-Collection I never heard about these models. Thanks for the info. I see also a HP-8S in your collection list. My calcs: HP12C, HP15C, HP17BII+, HP20S, HP20B, HP32SII, HP34C, HP35S, HP42S, HP48GX. 10-31-2016, 03:42 PM Post: #6  Harald Senior Member Posts: 644 Joined: Dec 2013 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? Wow. Congratulations on that find! I thought mine was cheap at anout 100euros. It is in very good conditom though. I defined my voyager collection as complete after acquiring the 10c. I have all the original calculators, a newer cr2032 version of the 12c a 15cle and a dm15 an dm15l. 10-31-2016, 03:55 PM Post: #7  Katie Wasserman Super Moderator Posts: 627 Joined: Dec 2013 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? Just a reminder that W.A.C Mier-Jedrzejowicz's book "A Guide to HP Handheld Calculators and Computers" is an excellent resource for all questions like these. It tells the whys and wherefores of HP model numbers, code names, etc.. Lots and lots of well-organized detail and trivia. Years ago, this book used to be referred to often in this forum so new members might not know about it. The latest edition that I know of is the 3rd one copyright 2007 (it might be out of print). -katie 10-31-2016, 05:48 PM Post: #8  Jake Schwartz Member Posts: 201 Joined: Dec 2013 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? (10-31-2016 03:55 PM)Katie Wasserman Wrote: Just a reminder that W.A.C Mier-Jedrzejowicz's book "A Guide to HP Handheld Calculators and Computers" is an excellent resource for all questions like these. It tells the whys and wherefores of HP model numbers, code names, etc.. Lots and lots of well-organized detail and trivia. Years ago, this book used to be referred to often in this forum so new members might not know about it. The latest edition that I know of is the 3rd one copyright 2007 (it might be out of print). Amazon.com currently sells the fifth edition here, listed as the "HHC2011 Printing". Jake 10-31-2016, 06:49 PM Post: #9  Massimo Gnerucci Senior Member Posts: 1,738 Joined: Dec 2013 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? (10-31-2016 02:29 PM)hibiki Wrote: If I remember well (and with the calculator poster), some numbers were never used: 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 24, 26, 36, 43, 44, 46, 47, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 57, 58, 59 (this 50´s sequence of TI calculators), 60, 62, 63, 64, 66, 68, 69, 72, 73, 74, 76, 77, 78, 79, 81, 82, 83, 84, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 93, 94, 96, 98, 99. 8 exists, too... Greetings, Massimo -+×÷ ↔ left is right and right is wrong 10-31-2016, 07:50 PM Post: #10  rprosperi Senior Member Posts: 3,379 Joined: Dec 2013 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? (10-31-2016 05:48 PM)Jake Schwartz Wrote: Amazon.com currently sells the fifth edition here, listed as the "HHC2011 Printing". I got a copy of the "Fifth Edition, HHC 2013 Printing" of Wlodek's book at HHC2013, which was updated to include the then-new HP Prime. It may have been a limited HHC-only release. All collectors simply must have a copy of this excellent resource. In addition to basic facts and history, it's also brimming with Wlodek's wit and wisdom. Get it! Thanks for the reminder Katie. --Bob Prosperi 10-31-2016, 10:45 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2016 10:45 PM by BobVA.) Post: #11  BobVA Member Posts: 236 Joined: Dec 2013 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? (10-31-2016 12:42 PM)PANAMATIK Wrote: And why is there the gap between 12 and 15 ? I don't know, but they seem to fill the gap with the reuse of "10." (I was surprised to see "HP10 Quickcalc" molded on the back of my Quickcalc four-banger.) A collection of all the "HP10's" would be a pretty good challenge! 10-31-2016, 11:57 PM Post: #12  PANAMATIK Senior Member Posts: 886 Joined: Oct 2014 RE: What is a complete voyager collection? (10-31-2016 03:42 PM)Harald Wrote: Wow. Congratulations on that find! I thought mine was cheap at about 100euros. It is in very good condition though. I defined my voyager collection as complete after acquiring the 10c. I have all the original calculators, a newer cr2032 version of the 12c a 15cle and a dm15 an dm15l. Indeed the 10C was not too expensive, because the seller offered it as defective, as the LCD digits are partially visible when switched off. But it works and the effect is very minor. I still miss the 15cle and I will only buy it if I can get it for less than 50$. The prices are ridiculous for an imperfect software and 20mA when a button is pressed. The dm15 is too small for my fingers, so this will also not become part of my collection.

You don't have a 12C platinum? As you well said, you have to "define" your collection as complete!

Bernhard

That's one small step for a man - one giant leap for mankind.
11-01-2016, 12:03 AM (This post was last modified: 11-01-2016 12:18 AM by PANAMATIK.)
Post: #13
 PANAMATIK Senior Member Posts: 886 Joined: Oct 2014
RE: What is a complete voyager collection?
(10-31-2016 10:45 PM)BobVA Wrote:  I don't know, but they seem to fill the gap with the reuse of "10." (I was surprised to see "HP10 Quickcalc" molded on the back of my Quickcalc four-banger.)

A collection of all the "HP10's" would be a pretty good challenge!

HP-10 printing calculator
HP-10B bussiness calcualator
HP-10B II business calculator
HP-10C basic scientific calculator
HP-10S+ scientific school calculator
HP-10 Quickcalc

A challenge that could be mastered.

Bernhard

That's one small step for a man - one giant leap for mankind.
11-01-2016, 12:15 AM
Post: #14
 PANAMATIK Senior Member Posts: 886 Joined: Oct 2014
RE: What is a complete voyager collection?
(10-31-2016 02:02 PM)striegel Wrote:  Since the programmer's calculator can deal in hexadecimal, it probably seemed more natural to go straight to the 16c.

This is a very convincing explanation for number 16 is only used for hexadecimal calculators and can be assumed very true because no other HP-16 model ever was produced...

Bernhard

That's one small step for a man - one giant leap for mankind.
11-01-2016, 12:29 AM
Post: #15
 rprosperi Senior Member Posts: 3,379 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: What is a complete voyager collection?
(11-01-2016 12:03 AM)PANAMATIK Wrote:  HP-10 printing calculator
HP-10B bussiness calcualator
HP-10B II business calculator
HP-10C basic scientific calculator
HP-10S+ scientific school calculator
HP-10 Quickcalc

A challenge that could be mastered.

Actually there were 2 different HP-10B II models with quite different case designs (not sure if f/w is different).

Also, you forgot the current HP-10BII+, an excellent and feature-rich financial calculator (except possibly the HP-27S, a strong candidate for best HP Algebraic machine ever, IMHO).

--Bob Prosperi
11-01-2016, 12:39 AM
Post: #16
 PANAMATIK Senior Member Posts: 886 Joined: Oct 2014
RE: What is a complete voyager collection?
(11-01-2016 12:29 AM)rprosperi Wrote:  ... except possibly the HP-27S, a strong candidate for best HP Algebraic machine ever, IMHO.

This piece I'm still missing in my collection.

Bernhard

That's one small step for a man - one giant leap for mankind.
11-01-2016, 01:52 AM
Post: #17
 Sylvain Cote Senior Member Posts: 1,035 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: What is a complete voyager collection?
(10-31-2016 12:42 PM)PANAMATIK Wrote:  But I received my HP-10C for 39 \$ today and now I have all of the original voyager models 10C, 11C, 12C, 15C 16C in working condition.
I also bought the DM15L and a new 12C version last year.

Congratulation!

(10-31-2016 12:42 PM)PANAMATIK Wrote:  Of course it is never complete!

He! He! I cannot agree more

Here some variant of the HP-12C ...
Code:
Model,           KeyBg,  Beg-End Prod, Prod. Site,   Batt., CPU, Comments HP-12C,          Black,  1980-1995,    A/B/G/J/S/M,  3x357, 1LF5-0301/1LM2-0001/LQ9-0322/1RR2-0001, not clear which of the 4 CPU is with this line or the next HP-12C,          Black,  1996-200?,    US/SG/MY,     3x357, 1LF5-0301/1LM2-0001/LQ9-0322/1RR2-0001, end of prod. is before 2004 HP-12C,          Black,  200?-2004,    CN,          1x2032, 2AF1-0001, begin of prod. is before 2004 HP-12C,          Black,  2004-2009,    CN/CNA/4CY,  1x2032, SPLB20D, none HP-12C Platinum, Silver, 2003-2005,    CNA/4CY,     1x2032, SPLB20D, has bugs HP-12C Prestige, Gold,   2003-2005,    CNA/4CY,     1x2032, SPLB20D, has bugs HP-12C Platinum, Silver, 2005-2006,    CNA/4CY,     1x2032, SPLB20D, revised & based on 17BII+ HP-12C Prestige, Gold,   2005-2006,    CNA/4CY,     1x2032, SPLB20D, revised & based on 17BII+ HP-12C Platinum, Black,  2005-2010,    CNA/4CY,     1x2032, SPLB20D, based on 17BII+ HP-12C 25th Ed., Black,  2006,         CNA/4CY,     1x2032, SPLB20D, based on 17BII+ HP-12C 12+,      Black,  2009-today,   CNA/4CY,     2x2032, AT91SAM7L128, none HP-12C 30th Ed., Black   2011,         CNA/4CY,     2x2032, AT91SAM7L128, none HP-12C Platinum, Black,  2010-today,   CNA/4CY,     2x2032, SPLB20D, none
Picture of a part of my Voyager collection

Sylvain
11-01-2016, 02:12 AM
Post: #18
 Christoph Giesselink Member Posts: 153 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: What is a complete voyager collection?
I don't think that a HP-27S is a good idea.

Because then you recognize that you also need a 17B English, 17B International, 17BII English, 17BII International and a 42S. Or better three 42S, an early one with ROM rev. A, then a rare one with ROM rev. B and finally the most common with rev. C.

Further you recognized that then the Mid-Range Pioneers are missing 14B, 22S, 32S, 32SII and the Low-Range Pioneers 10B, 20S and 21S.

Oh, I forgot that the 10B, 20S and 32SII are available in two color shemes and that there're 50th Anniversary L. Edition for the 14B and 32S.

What about different ROM versions or manufacturing places, so I have 17BII International produced in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia.
11-01-2016, 04:34 AM
Post: #19
 PANAMATIK Senior Member Posts: 886 Joined: Oct 2014
RE: What is a complete voyager collection?
(11-01-2016 01:52 AM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  Picture of a part of my Voyager collection

Sylvain

Now the question is answered:

This is a complete voyager collection!

Bernhard

That's one small step for a man - one giant leap for mankind.
11-01-2016, 11:29 AM
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 aurelio Senior Member Posts: 377 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: What is a complete voyager collection?
(11-01-2016 01:52 AM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  Picture of a part of my Voyager collection

Sylvain

what a beauty
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