To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
09-18-2014, 03:25 PM
Post: #1
 walter b On Vacation Posts: 1,957 Joined: Dec 2013
To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
You might remember I tried repeatedly to find out what's going on with the HP-30b: is it still in production or was it stopped (if true, when)? Unless I missed something there are no hard facts available so far. You'll sit close to at least one knowing person soon - please ask. TIA.

For those of us who want a (or another) WP 34S or WP 31S such an information may influence their plans, since the 43S won't come in 2014 nor 2015 AFAICS.

Beyond that: enjoy the conference!

d:-)
09-19-2014, 06:59 AM (This post was last modified: 09-19-2014 07:00 AM by Geoff Quickfall.)
Post: #2
 Geoff Quickfall Senior Member Posts: 771 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)

And see you later!

Geoff
09-19-2014, 07:08 AM
Post: #3
 walter b On Vacation Posts: 1,957 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-19-2014 06:59 AM)Geoff Quickfall Wrote:  I will ask Walter!

:-?

Let's eat Grandpa!
(Punctuation can save lifes Oh why can't the English ... ? )
09-19-2014, 07:37 AM
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 Paul Dale Senior Member Posts: 1,733 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-19-2014 06:59 AM)Geoff Quickfall Wrote:  I will ask Walter!

But won't you be under NDA and can't answer

- Pauli
09-19-2014, 10:42 AM
Post: #5
 walter b On Vacation Posts: 1,957 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-19-2014 07:37 AM)Paul Dale Wrote:
(09-19-2014 06:59 AM)Geoff Quickfall Wrote:  I will ask Walter!

But won't you be under NDA and can't answer

I won't even think of asking anything being under an NDA. But since Geoff wants to ask me and I'm not under that NDA there won't be any problem anyway.

d:-)
09-19-2014, 10:51 AM
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 Paul Dale Senior Member Posts: 1,733 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
Given a Eric's comments, I rather suspect the 34S firmware has been or is being ported to the reptile hardware already....

Pauli
09-19-2014, 11:23 AM
Post: #7
 walter b On Vacation Posts: 1,957 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-19-2014 10:51 AM)Paul Dale Wrote:  I rather suspect the 34S firmware has been or is being ported to the reptile hardware already....

May be, but then we'd have six unused keys and a lot of free space on display. That would be "mit Kanonen auf Spatzen geschossen" (~ breaking a butterfly on a wheel) IMHO.

d:-)
09-19-2014, 04:10 PM (This post was last modified: 09-19-2014 04:11 PM by anetzer.)
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 anetzer Member Posts: 164 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-19-2014 10:51 AM)Paul Dale Wrote:  reptile hardware

This would indeed give reason to hope, but - after a possible discontinuation of the 30B - only, if a relevant number of such hardwares were available to the interested public.

That's where Walter's defaitist remarks make me shiver: Not even 2015?!

a.n.
09-19-2014, 06:22 PM
Post: #9
 Marcus von Cube Senior Member Posts: 760 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-19-2014 04:10 PM)anetzer Wrote:  That's where Walter's defaitist remarks make me shiver: Not even 2015?!

Remember how long it took to create the 34S firmware. IIRC at least a year of my time - almost full time back then. Fortunately for me (and my bank account) working full time on 43S isn't an option for me. Add to this that there was a whole bunch of working code already present when I joined the team.

43S is a new start. We want to do things differently then we did in the 34S because the hardware is so much more capable. No need to invest in cryptic space saving code. A clean structure is high on my agenda.

So just be patient! 43S will eventually come into existence but don't hold your breath too early. We do not want our potential audience to suffocate.

Marcus von Cube
Wehrheim, Germany
http://www.mvcsys.de
http://wp34s.sf.net
http://mvcsys.de/doc/basic-compare.html
09-19-2014, 06:49 PM (This post was last modified: 09-20-2014 11:39 AM by walter b.)
Post: #10
 walter b On Vacation Posts: 1,957 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
Andreas,

I just recalled what Pauli stated earlier this year.* I don't find his post right now, may be easier for him.

Background: I can do a lot in advance regarding the UI - Pauli and Marcus have to wait for the real HW. Keyboard layout, font design, screenshots, etc. can all be armchair decisions and designs; in fact they started ten months ago with the first publication on the forum. But not a single line of our new code was run on a reptile so far and I don't expect reptiles in my mailbox very soon (but would be delighted if I'd find one). Please also remember it's a hobbyist's project again, luckily none of us can devote more than his spare time to the WP 43S. And since we aren't employed by the Ministry of Witchcraft and Wizardry we must take the pedestrian's approach again. Hope this explains why I wouldn't call excluding 2015 defeatist but realistic (with a tendency to optimistic looking at a launch in 2016).

d:-/

09-21-2014, 06:51 AM
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 cyrille de brébisson Senior Member Posts: 1,047 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
Hello,

It might be on interest to you, if you have not noticed, and this is not confidential information, that Atmel has discontinuated the aT91SAM7L CPU...

cyrille
09-21-2014, 07:02 AM (This post was last modified: 09-21-2014 07:06 AM by Geoff Quickfall.)
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 Geoff Quickfall Senior Member Posts: 771 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)

Punctuation added, due to poor editing skills, bad typing, ipad grammmer check and a multitude of other errors, missed by me.

See you September 27 to discuss idiosycrasies of english, poor typing skills, benefits of german beer, bratwurst and bakery products. By the way, grandpa tasted yummy!

Geoff
09-21-2014, 07:20 AM (This post was last modified: 09-21-2014 07:33 AM by walter b.)
Post: #13
 walter b On Vacation Posts: 1,957 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-21-2014 07:02 AM)Geoff Quickfall Wrote:  I will ask; Walter!

Punctuation added, due to poor editing skills, bad typing, ipad grammmer check and a multitude of other errors, missed by me.

See you September 27 to discuss idiosycrasies of english, poor typing skills, benefits of german beer, bratwurst and bakery products. By the way, grandpa tasted yummy!

Thanks! Looking forward to our meeting, fed by Thüringer Bratwurst mit Brötchen, for example.

d:-)

(BTW, the longer I read this forum the better I understand why automatic spelling and grammar checks are so popular in that language though not sufficient ... For people from other countries, decoding such messages is not eased by sloppiness in linguistic matters. This international forum publicly claims setting great value on politeness but often disregards such basic stuff. - That's not for you, Geoff, I got it that you enriched your post a bit.)
09-21-2014, 07:52 AM
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 jebem Senior Member Posts: 1,342 Joined: Feb 2014
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-21-2014 06:51 AM)cyrille de brébisson Wrote:  Hello,

It might be on interest to you, if you have not noticed, and this is not confidential information, that Atmel has discontinuated the aT91SAM7L CPU...

cyrille

Hi Cyrille,
Thanks for the info.

So it seems it is time to start collecting the HP-30B "new in the box" before they disappear from the market for good

Jose Mesquita

09-21-2014, 03:49 PM
Post: #15
 jjohnson873 Member Posts: 183 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
HP30b, NIB on eBay. Eldoradotrading. $16.95 ea. USD +$4.95 shipping. Ships to U.S., Canada, Mexico. Walter, you'll have to ask Geoff to pick up a case and bring them with him to Germany. ;-)
09-21-2014, 05:29 PM
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 brouhaha Member Posts: 142 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
At HHC 2014, Tim Wessman of HP has stated that the HP 30b has been discontinued, and that this information is publicly dissembinable.
09-21-2014, 05:58 PM
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 Sylvain Cote Senior Member Posts: 1,716 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-21-2014 03:49 PM)jjohnson873 Wrote:  HP30b, NIB on eBay. Eldoradotrading. $16.95 ea. USD +$4.95 shipping. Ships to U.S., Canada, Mexico. Walter, you'll have to ask Geoff to pick up a case and bring them with him to Germany. ;-)

Eldoradotrading for Canada is more like -> $16.95 +$19.95 shipping = 36.90 USD
while
samsoncableshpcalculators for Canada is actually cheaper -> $19.99 +$7.79 shipping = 27.78 USD
09-21-2014, 06:43 PM
Post: #18
 walter b On Vacation Posts: 1,957 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-21-2014 05:29 PM)brouhaha Wrote:  At HHC 2014, Tim Wessman of HP has stated that the HP 30b has been discontinued, ...

Thanks for this information. Now we know we'll have to live with the amount of HP-30bs produced. Anyone thinking about getting a WP 34S or WP 31S - you can't afford waiting any longer. I'd recommend you get your hands on a HP-30b.

Quote:... and that this information is publicly dissembinable.

Another word the web doesn't know although I guess what you wanted to tell.

d:-?
09-21-2014, 06:47 PM
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 Dave Frederickson Senior Member Posts: 2,114 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
Just ordered two.

Dave
09-21-2014, 06:51 PM
Post: #20
 walter b On Vacation Posts: 1,957 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: To the participants of HHC 2014 (fate of HP-30b)
(09-21-2014 03:49 PM)jjohnson873 Wrote:  HP30b, NIB on eBay. Eldoradotrading. $16.95 ea. USD +$4.95 shipping. Ships to U.S., Canada, Mexico. Walter, you'll have to ask Geoff to pick up a case and bring them with him to Germany. ;-)

Thanks for pointing to that. Alas, it's a deal exclusively for the citizens of the USA again. International price policy was discussed here more than once and is still not comprehensible taking into account the devices are all made in China.

d:-(
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