08-04-2020, 08:56 AM
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 Aaron2222 Junior Member Posts: 3 Joined: Aug 2020
Is it at all possible to purchase the document set and download it to avoid having to wait for shipping?
08-04-2020, 04:21 PM
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 grsbanks Senior Member Posts: 1,219 Joined: Jan 2017

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08-04-2020, 04:58 PM
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 Sylvain Cote Senior Member Posts: 1,683 Joined: Dec 2013
By today standard, 16GB is not that much, macOS update often do 5GB. Even with my medium/slow Internet download speed of 91 Mbps it will take me less than 30 minutes to download the 16GB.
08-04-2020, 04:58 PM
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 rprosperi Senior Member Posts: 4,910 Joined: Dec 2013
That may not be too fast, but shipping to NZ is much, MUCH slower...

--Bob Prosperi
08-04-2020, 05:03 PM
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 grsbanks Senior Member Posts: 1,219 Joined: Jan 2017
(08-04-2020 04:58 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  By today standard, 16GB is not that much, macOS update often do 5GB. Even with my medium/slow Internet download speed of 91 Mbps it will take me less than 30 minutes to download the 16GB.

You call 91mbps "medium/slow"?!?!?

Where I come from that is called insanely blazing fast.

I get about 15-18mbps on a good day.

There are only 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
08-04-2020, 06:37 PM
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 DA74254 Member Posts: 157 Joined: Sep 2017
(08-04-2020 05:03 PM)grsbanks Wrote:
(08-04-2020 04:58 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  By today standard, 16GB is not that much, macOS update often do 5GB. Even with my medium/slow Internet download speed of 91 Mbps it will take me less than 30 minutes to download the 16GB.

You call 91mbps "medium/slow"?!?!?

Where I come from that is called insanely blazing fast.

I get about 15-18mbps on a good day.

Normally I just set the "long" downloads in the night. Openfietsmap, that I use on my Garmin GPS (complete routable map of all Europe) is 12GB DL. Took about ~2 hours.

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08-04-2020, 07:48 PM
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 Jonathan Busby Member Posts: 230 Joined: Nov 2014
(08-04-2020 06:37 PM)DA74254 Wrote:
(08-04-2020 05:03 PM)grsbanks Wrote:  You call 91mbps "medium/slow"?!?!?

Where I come from that is called insanely blazing fast.

I get about 15-18mbps on a good day.

Normally I just set the "long" downloads in the night. Openfietsmap, that I use on my Garmin GPS (complete routable map of all Europe) is 12GB DL. Took about ~2 hours.

I get about ~140 Mbits/sec down and ~11Mbits/sec up So, it would take me about 16 minutes and 22 seconds to download 16GiB, assuming I didn't mess up the calculation When I've finished moving to Colorado, I'll have fiber running at about 1Gbit/sec down

I bought the HP Museum documents collection and the USB drive is plugged into the Linux system on which I'm typing this. If there is a future release of the document set, I'd rather have the option of downloading it instead of waiting for the USB drive to arrive via the mail ( and the USPS is *slow* right now )

Regards,

Jonathan

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08-04-2020, 08:00 PM
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 Sylvain Cote Senior Member Posts: 1,683 Joined: Dec 2013
(08-04-2020 06:37 PM)DA74254 Wrote:
(08-04-2020 05:03 PM)grsbanks Wrote:  I get about 15-18mbps on a good day.
Well, what can I say, I am sorry for you guys.
I used to get that kind of speed 10 to 15 years ago before the phone/cable providers started to upgrade their networks.

Home are still not connected to fiber but you can now have up to 500 Mbps.
At work, the company (15 peoples) has taken the slowest fiber link available of 1 Gbps (ISP has 650 Gbps)
08-04-2020, 09:17 PM
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 Aaron2222 Junior Member Posts: 3 Joined: Aug 2020
(08-04-2020 08:00 PM)Sylvain Cote Wrote:  Well, what can I say, I am sorry for you guys.
I used to get that kind of speed 10 to 15 years ago before the phone/cable providers started to upgrade their networks.

Home are still not connected to fiber but you can now have up to 500 Mbps.
At work, the company (15 peoples) has taken the slowest fiber link available of 1 Gbps (ISP has 650 Gbps)

Same here. Here in NZ you can get 900 Mbit/s down and 500 Mbit/s up in most urban areas for $99 NZD per month ($65.59 USD).
08-04-2020, 10:47 PM
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 Dave Hicks Super Moderator Posts: 414 Joined: Dec 2013
At this time, I have no news newer than this:

I haven't seen anything that convinces me that I would have more luck right now. (Some people I have talked to about this read this forum. I'm guessing they would tell me if things change.)

I've had numerous conversations with HP employees over the years and I've always gotten the impression that everyone there fears HP Legal. And since I'm just "some guy", I kind of do as well.
08-05-2020, 12:39 AM
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 Valentin Albillo Senior Member Posts: 752 Joined: Feb 2015
(08-04-2020 04:21 PM)grsbanks Wrote:  Do you really want to download 16GB of data?

I can download 16 Gb of contents in 16 min. flat, with a run-of-the-mill, cheapo connection, so nothing preposterous about that, it's plain standard where I live.

V.

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08-05-2020, 01:41 AM
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 Aaron2222 Junior Member Posts: 3 Joined: Aug 2020
(08-04-2020 10:47 PM)Dave Hicks Wrote:  At this time, I have no news newer than this:

I haven't seen anything that convinces me that I would have more luck right now. (Some people I have talked to about this read this forum. I'm guessing they would tell me if things change.)

I've had numerous conversations with HP employees over the years and I've always gotten the impression that everyone there fears HP Legal. And since I'm just "some guy", I kind of do as well.

Fair enough. I guess I'll just have to wait for shipping then since it's out of your hands.
08-05-2020, 06:43 AM
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 grsbanks Senior Member Posts: 1,219 Joined: Jan 2017
(08-05-2020 12:39 AM)Valentin Albillo Wrote:  I can download 16 Gb of contents in 16 min. flat, with a run-of-the-mill, cheapo connection, so nothing preposterous about that, it's plain standard where I live.

Lucky you

This country (UK) is the backwater of the internet and of comms in general. It's OK in urban areas but as soon as you stray a few miles out of them you only have a very poor internet connection because people's expectations are so low that network operators don't feel the need to do anything. I'm lucky to get 15-18 mbps. A lot of areas are only guaranteed 4-8 mbps, if that.

It was suggested to me that I switch to 4G. I laughed. We don't have 4G here. In fact we don't have 3G either and only barely enough 2G signal strength to send a text message.

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08-05-2020, 07:23 AM
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 DA74254 Member Posts: 157 Joined: Sep 2017
I'm on the wrong side of the highway, so I'm stuck with ADSL or 4G. So 4G it is

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08-08-2020, 01:29 PM
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 Massimo Gnerucci Senior Member Posts: 2,318 Joined: Dec 2013
1Gbps down, 300Mbps up, here.

Greetings,
Massimo

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08-08-2020, 09:37 PM
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 BruceH Senior Member Posts: 345 Joined: Dec 2013
(08-05-2020 06:43 AM)grsbanks Wrote:  This country (UK) is the backwater of the internet and of comms in general. It's OK in urban areas but as soon as you stray a few miles out of them you only have a very poor internet connection because people's expectations are so low that network operators don't feel the need to do anything. I'm lucky to get 15-18 mbps. A lot of areas are only guaranteed 4-8 mbps, if that.

The former national telco in the UK is so stuck in the past and so investment adverse that, at one point about 2 to 3 years ago, its stock market valuation was less than the scrap value of its installed copper. Way to go!
08-08-2020, 09:58 PM
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 Valentin Albillo Senior Member Posts: 752 Joined: Feb 2015
(08-05-2020 06:43 AM)grsbanks Wrote:
(08-05-2020 12:39 AM)Valentin Albillo Wrote:  I can download 16 Gb of contents in 16 min. flat, with a run-of-the-mill, cheapo connection, so nothing preposterous about that, it's plain standard where I live.
Lucky you

The quality of connections here has been very convincingly demonstrated during the several-month long mandatory confinement at home, which forced a large percentage of the working force (many million people) having to work at home, using incredible amounts of bandwidth at high speed.

Add to that the also many millions of people who were downloading series from HBO, Netflix and the like, whole seasons at once to binge-watch, or playing heavy Internet games wholesale, and still we've had no problems or suffered lags or dropouts or anything, everything was going at full speed. The 16 Gb in 16 min. I mentioned could be downloaded even during working hours, not necessarily late at night.

Frankly, the communications passed with flying colours here. Lucky indeed !

Regards.
V.

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