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01-02-2020, 11:22 PM
Post: #21
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
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02-29-2020, 01:25 PM (This post was last modified: 02-29-2020 01:27 PM by twoweims.)
Post: #22
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(12-30-2019 05:37 PM)Ángel Martin Wrote:  I can't help with the serial port, but the latest ROM versions can be downloaded from Monte's web site at this URL

click on the item on the upper right:
"The current set of .rom files for the 41CL is: rom_files_191203.zip"

UPDATE:

I am also seeing the same behavior on my DM41X Beta Unit.
I have loaded the latest MOD Files from the SwissMicros site (AM_HP41_MOD_Files_200226)

I have LIBRARY4.MOD loaded into Page 4
and OSX_BS4X-P7 loaded into Page 7

After executing the ROMLST function, all of my Shifted Key Assignments disappear and I get a bunch of new assignments where "ABS" has been assigned to various shifted keys.

In my original post I thought there was a problem with the POWERCL_EXT Module.
But, I don't have that installed on the DM41X so I am suspecting the OS X Module's implementation of ROMLST.

Try this:

XEQ CLKEYS
CAT" 0 (CAT" 1 on older versions)
Select "R" from the Menu
CAT" 6
You will see a bunch of shifted key assignments that were not there before.


Also, where can I find a current copy of the OSX Manual?

TOS Library has Revision 4L - April 2014
Monte's site has Revision 4M - July 2014

What is the current revision as found in the (AM_HP41_MOD_Files_200226) version?
The enhanced catalogs function differently than described in the 4L and 4M Manuals.
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02-29-2020, 04:18 PM
Post: #23
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(02-29-2020 01:25 PM)twoweims Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 05:37 PM)Ángel Martin Wrote:  I can't help with the serial port, but the latest ROM versions can be downloaded from Monte's web site at this URL

click on the item on the upper right:
"The current set of .rom files for the 41CL is: rom_files_191203.zip"

UPDATE:

I am also seeing the same behavior on my DM41X Beta Unit.
I have loaded the latest MOD Files from the SwissMicros site (AM_HP41_MOD_Files_200226)

Latest MOD files collection is: AM_HP41_MOD_Files_200227.zip

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02-29-2020, 04:22 PM
Post: #24
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(02-29-2020 04:18 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 01:25 PM)twoweims Wrote:  UPDATE:

I am also seeing the same behavior on my DM41X Beta Unit.
I have loaded the latest MOD Files from the SwissMicros site (AM_HP41_MOD_Files_200226)

Latest MOD files collection is: AM_HP41_MOD_Files_200227.zip

Same results with 200227

LIBRARY4.MOD and OSX_BS4X-P7 have the same rev dates in 200226 and 200227
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02-29-2020, 04:58 PM (This post was last modified: 02-29-2020 05:02 PM by Massimo Gnerucci.)
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RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(02-29-2020 04:22 PM)twoweims Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 04:18 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  Latest MOD files collection is: AM_HP41_MOD_Files_200227.zip

Same results with 200227

LIBRARY4.MOD and OSX_BS4X-P7 have the same rev dates in 200226 and 200227

Ángel also loaded this version of OSX_BS4X on SM's forum on 27/2. This seems to be the one in 200227 archive, but P6 and P7 versions are the same, as you said.

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03-02-2020, 06:23 AM
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RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(02-29-2020 04:22 PM)twoweims Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 04:18 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  Latest MOD files collection is: AM_HP41_MOD_Files_200227.zip

Same results with 200227

LIBRARY4.MOD and OSX_BS4X-P7 have the same rev dates in 200226 and 200227

Make sure you delete the old MOD files from flash and then import them again from the drive. It's not an automated update just by dropping the new MOD in the drive.
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03-02-2020, 11:19 AM
Post: #27
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(03-02-2020 06:23 AM)Ángel Martin Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 04:22 PM)twoweims Wrote:  Same results with 200227

LIBRARY4.MOD and OSX_BS4X-P7 have the same rev dates in 200226 and 200227

Make sure you delete the old MOD files from flash and then import them again from the drive. It's not an automated update just by dropping the new MOD in the drive.

I did this but I will try again.

It is very strange that I am the only one experiencing this. And that both my 41CL and my DM41X shipped with incompatible MOD/ROM files.
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03-02-2020, 01:31 PM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2020 01:34 PM by twoweims.)
Post: #28
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
Here is what I have done:

1) Setup > Module > Active Modules:
Unplugged All Modules

2) Setup > Modules > Manage Modules in Flash:
Deleted All Modules Except the SM DM--41X and the Thermal Printer

3) Setup > Modules > Manage Modules in Flash:
Import: LIBRARY4.MOD
OSX_BS4X-P7.MOD
Both are from the latest zip file from the DM41X download link on the SM web site.

4) Setup > Module > Active Modules:
Plugged in the following:
Thermal Printer
Library#4 R.51
AMC OS/X Module - 4P7 -BS4

5) Test:
CAT" 6 = NO KEYS

CAT" 0 > R "Execute ROMLIST"

CAT" 6 = ABS-35
ABS-43
ABS-64
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03-02-2020, 01:49 PM
Post: #29
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
You are not the only one to have seen this, I've experienced this myself for several months, but never taken the tine to find a way to exactly reproduce it, as each new build seems to make it disappear, only to see it happen again in a few days. I have just seen it on Friday with the latest build, but am currently on vacation in Cancun, so did not have time yet to check source. I'll try your steps late today when I am back in the hotel. Thanks for the details.

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03-02-2020, 02:15 PM
Post: #30
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
Bob,
Thank you for the reply.
this is also happening on my 41CL so it is not exclusive to the DM41X.

Also, When you go on vacation, LEAVE YOUR DAMN ELECTRONICS AT HOME! Smile
Don't reply to this crap till you get home. You go on vacation to escape these things for a while.

Enjoy your vacation and thanks again for all your hard work on this.
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03-02-2020, 02:25 PM
Post: #31
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
Plugged in:
  1. AMC OS/X Module - 4P7 -BS4
  2. Modified HEPAX_4H+ Module
  3. Library#4 RevR51
  4. SandMath-V-#9 Bank-Switched 4x4++


CLKEYS

CAT" 6 NO KEYS

CAT" 0 > R

CAT" 6 ABS-14 | ABS-35 | ABS-54 | ABS-63 | ABS-74



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03-02-2020, 02:30 PM
Post: #32
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(03-02-2020 02:25 PM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  Plugged in:
  1. AMC OS/X Module - 4P7 -BS4
  2. Modified HEPAX_4H+ Module
  3. Library#4 RevR51
  4. SandMath-V-#9 Bank-Switched 4x4++


CLKEYS

CAT" 6 NO KEYS

CAT" 0 > R

CAT" 6 ABS-14 | ABS-35 | ABS-54 | ABS-63 | ABS-74



Thank you so much for trying this!
I thought I was crazy or doing something incredibly stupid.
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03-03-2020, 05:54 AM (This post was last modified: 03-03-2020 05:55 AM by Ángel Martin.)
Post: #33
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
I found a bug in ROMLST, it corrupts the shifted key assignments in some cases.
Will try to get it fixed in a couple of days. It's been there from day-1, thanks for digging it out from the heap.
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03-03-2020, 10:04 AM
Post: #34
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
Problem solved - use the attached LIBRARY#4 MOD file and report results.


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.zip  LIBRARY4_04.03.2020.zip (Size: 5.12 KB / Downloads: 11)
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03-03-2020, 01:14 PM
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RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(03-03-2020 10:04 AM)Ángel Martin Wrote:  Problem solved - use the attached LIBRARY#4 MOD file and report results.

Thanks Ángel!

I will try it on MY DM41X later this afternoon.

I am still too scared to open my 41CL to fix the Serial Cable...
Cracked posts were marginal the last time I had it apart.
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03-03-2020, 01:26 PM
Post: #36
RE: Disappearing Key Assignments
(03-03-2020 10:04 AM)Ángel Martin Wrote:  Problem solved - use the attached LIBRARY#4 MOD file and report results.

Confirmed: solved, as far as I can see.
Thank you.

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03-03-2020, 08:41 PM
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(03-02-2020 02:15 PM)twoweims Wrote:  Also, When you go on vacation, LEAVE YOUR DAMN ELECTRONICS AT HOME! Smile
Don't reply to this crap till you get home. You go on vacation to escape these things for a while.

Hey, hey, now I have a wife for that, and sorry but she's better at it than you. Big Grin

We all relax in different ways, and as much as I've used and tested the 41X there has been darned little time to just play...

Thanks to twoweims and massimo for testing and reporting the results allowing the bug to be more easily found. And now I know why I've only rarely seen this is as I rarely used the "R" feature in the enhanced OSX CAT-0. I'm glad different folks use these things differently.

And of course thanks to Angel for OSX in the first place and for the rapid fix!

So... now to decide: do I install the USB driver on my notebook here, update the LIB4 file and download, or just not use CAT-0-R for 5 more days... actually an easy vacation decision.

Thanks guys.

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03-03-2020, 09:53 PM
Post: #38
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Enjoy your Vacation Bob.

I am so glad that I stumbled upon SwissMicros and bought a DM42 almost a year ago now.
It has rekindled my interest in the old HP machines that I grew up with in college back in the 80's.
I never dreamed that there were so many people interested in keeping this great old hardware alive.

This is a great community here and over on the SwissMicros Forum.
Thanks for making me feel welcome here and putting up with my stupid questions from time to time.

BTW, We left on vacation the day after my DM41X arrived in the mail. I was forbidden to take it along. It looks like my wife has a similar skill set to yours!
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