Desolve gives wrong results

12232019, 03:25 PM
(This post was last modified: 12232019 07:25 PM by COB160.)
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Desolve gives wrong results
Goodafternoon everybody,
I am dealing with desolve HP prime function, in particular if I type desolve(y'=x/y,y) i get two wrong results, wich are: sqrt(2*G_0x^2 ) and sqrt(2*G_0X^2). In fact the correct result should be, according to wolframalpha: sqrt(x^2+2c) and sqrt(x^2+2c). Does the difference depend on the interpretation of G_0 or c constant? Otherwise the result is incorrect with respect of the sign. Thank in advance for your help 

12232019, 06:47 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12232019 03:25 PM)COB160 Wrote: Goodafternoon everybody, The constant(s) could be anything thus the answers are all correct. 

12232019, 07:28 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12232019 06:47 PM)CyberAngel Wrote:(12232019 03:25 PM)COB160 Wrote: Goodafternoon everybody, Yes, but for what reason the calculator changes the conventional way to express the variable in such simple differential equations? Is there any way to get the conventional result? 

12242019, 03:18 AM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
Yes, you look at it and say "brain, that is a c".
The reason why is because c is used for other variables in the system and would be treated as such if you returned it in such a way in subsequent calculation. TW Although I work for the HP calculator group, the views and opinions I post here are my own. 

12242019, 06:21 AM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12232019 06:47 PM)CyberAngel Wrote:(12232019 03:25 PM)COB160 Wrote: Goodafternoon everybody, Correct but unfriendly, as the constant could be simplified to c_1 say, even if c is reserved. Its fortunate indeed that the OP didnt require the answer to desolve(y'=i*x/y,y) Wolfram gives this as y(x) = sqrt(c_1  i*x^2) and y(x) = sqrt(c_1  i*x^2) Prime with Simplify:Maximum gives the undeniably spectacular Code: 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I had to truncate the result as its longer than the forum can handle! 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12242019, 08:17 AM
Post: #6




RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12242019 03:18 AM)Tim Wessman Wrote: Yes, you look at it and say "brain, that is a c". Very very funny answer! I can’t stop laughing. The variable c could be any number but there is no reason to arbitrarily chance the sign of it. 

12242019, 08:25 AM
Post: #7




RE: Desolve gives wrong results
Is there any other way to came out with a symbolic solution of differential equations? Maybe using different function or changing calculator’s Settings


12242019, 03:44 PM
Post: #8




RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12242019 06:21 AM)Stevetuc Wrote:(12232019 06:47 PM)CyberAngel Wrote: The constant(s) could be anything Are you sure about that 317th character? It looks wrong to me. Tom L At the Last Supper, Jesus did NOT say, "You want a piece of me?" 

12242019, 03:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 12242019 03:58 PM by Stevetuc.)
Post: #9




RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12242019 03:44 PM)toml_12953 Wrote:Could be a translation error, its probably fine..maybe view the answer on the Prime?(12242019 06:21 AM)Stevetuc Wrote: Correct but unfriendly, as the constant could be simplified to c_1 say, even if c is reserved. There may be errors in the bits that couldn't be pasted though, I haven't checked through it yet.. 

12242019, 04:50 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12242019 03:53 PM)Stevetuc Wrote:(12242019 03:44 PM)toml_12953 Wrote: Are you sure about that 317th character? It looks wrong to me.Could be a translation error, its probably fine..maybe view the answer on the Prime? I was just hoping someone would waste time counting characters! Tom L At the Last Supper, Jesus did NOT say, "You want a piece of me?" 

12242019, 04:55 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12242019 04:50 PM)toml_12953 Wrote:(12242019 03:53 PM)Stevetuc Wrote: Could be a translation error, its probably fine..maybe view the answer on the Prime? Yeah, would'nt it be nice if the prime had a search for character function for answers like that one and jokes like that one! 

12242019, 06:54 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
I can not reproduce.
desolve(y'=i*x/y,y) on the Prime returns [sqrt(i*x^2G0),sqrt(i*x^2G0)]. simplify leaves this answer unchanged. 

12242019, 09:43 PM
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12252019, 09:13 AM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12242019 08:25 AM)COB160 Wrote: Is there any other way to came out with a symbolic solution of differential equations? Maybe using different function or changing calculator’s Settings For comparison's sake, let's see how CX II's like: (y=sqrt(cx^2) et (x^2)c<=0) V (y=sqrt(cx^2) et (x^2)c<=0). Have a pleasant XMas, Aries 

12252019, 02:15 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
Hi!
The first post from COB160 change FROM: … to wolframalpha: sqrt(x^2+c) and sqrt(x^2+c). TO … to wolframalpha: sqrt(x^2+2c) and sqrt(x^2+2c). If you look the first response from CyberAngel you will see the original post. Question, Why doing this? Is it to adjust WolframAlpha to the response of the Prime.. This is not a good way to make a champion. Marcel 

12252019, 04:39 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12242019 09:43 PM)Stevetuc Wrote: The result I reported was on android 2.1.14181 (2018 10 16)I checked with the emulator (old Mac 2018 07 06) and with the devel windows version, both return the expected answer and simplify does nothing. If something wrong happens elsewhere, I can not do anything to fix it myself. 

12252019, 05:18 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12252019 04:39 PM)parisse Wrote:What about this:(12242019 09:43 PM)Stevetuc Wrote: The result I reported was on android 2.1.14181 (2018 10 16)I checked with the emulator (old Mac 2018 07 06) and with the devel windows version, both return the expected answer and simplify does nothing. If something wrong happens elsewhere, I can not do anything to fix it myself. 

12252019, 05:29 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
On my G2, if I type in the expression in question, the unit displays [x/y’] as it’s solution. If I use a desolve example, and edit the letters to show our example, I get the correct answer, [sqrt(x^2*G_0 sqrt(x^22*G_0]. How do I correctly enter this so to not have to bring up the example, and edit it to show my intended expression?


12252019, 06:25 PM
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RE: Desolve gives wrong results
(12252019 04:39 PM)parisse Wrote:(12242019 09:43 PM)Stevetuc Wrote: The result I reported was on android 2.1.14181 (2018 10 16)I checked with the emulator (old Mac 2018 07 06) and with the devel windows version, both return the expected answer and simplify does nothing. If something wrong happens elsewhere, I can not do anything to fix it myself. Hopefully Tim or Cyrille can take a look. 

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