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RE: Multi Calculator Kit - Maximilian Hohmann - 10-28-2017 01:35 PM
Hello!
(10-28-2017 08:24 AM)PANAMATIK Wrote: The year 2017 is the year of the multi calculator kits.
Wonderful and somewhat incredible! I admire the effort behind all these projects - and the LED displays all of you are using.
Now all that we really need is HP digging out the moulds for the housings of the HP67 and the HP25 and make a few hundred of them for us, and ideally some keyboards as well. In the meantime I have to look for "dead" units in my calculation to determine how many kits of which type I may want to purchase.
Thanks to all of you for your work!
Max
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - BarryMead - 10-28-2017 10:39 PM
I am hoping that a nice plastic case emerges to support this multi calculator, and that someone jumps in with some nice die-cut plastic overlays with the key legends for
the various supported multi-calculator models. It would be really cool to switch overlays and internal calculator model modes to suit a specific calculating / programming task. Maybe it is just a dream, but it does seem possible at this point to have such dreams.
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - teenix - 11-02-2017 01:58 PM
Hi all,
Some software progress.
The HP19c is proving to be a real beastie to get going.
Here is a picture of its first print output direct from the PIC chip just after power on.
Most of the parts have arrived, so I can do a final check on the PCB design and get them made when all is confirmed.
cheers
Tony
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - Harald - 11-02-2017 10:16 PM
(11-02-2017 01:58 PM)teenix Wrote: Most of the parts have arrived, so I can do a final check on the PCB design and get them made when all is confirmed.
cheers
Tony
Hi Tony,
which USB chip are you using? Might be worth me switching to the same you are using to avoid any incompatibilities.
Cheers,
Harald
PS: I can see my parcel has arrived in Australia, but after that they don't provide tracking information anymore.
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - Harald - 11-02-2017 10:25 PM
(10-28-2017 10:39 PM)BarryMead Wrote: I am hoping that a nice plastic case emerges to support this multi calculator, and that someone jumps in with some nice die-cut plastic overlays with the key legends for
the various supported multi-calculator models. It would be really cool to switch overlays and internal calculator model modes to suit a specific calculating / programming task. Maybe it is just a dream, but it does seem possible at this point to have such dreams.
Yes, overlays would be great, I would like those for my classic series replacement PCB version of the emulator as well. I am unsure how it could be done though. The early versions of the HP35 with the blank function keys would probably be the best starting point. All the functions could be printed on the overlay with no disturbing wrongly labled key caps (OK, apart from pi). But I am not sure how the overlays could be fixed to the HP35. A material like the HP41 overlays were made from seems good, but what equipment is needed to cut lables like those? Who has the skills to produce quality images to print those overlays?
Cheers,
Harald
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - Jlouis - 11-02-2017 10:29 PM
(10-28-2017 10:39 PM)BarryMead Wrote: I am hoping that a nice plastic case emerges to support this multi calculator, and that someone jumps in with some nice die-cut plastic overlays with the key legends for
the various supported multi-calculator models. It would be really cool to switch overlays and internal calculator model modes to suit a specific calculating / programming task. Maybe it is just a dream, but it does seem possible at this point to have such dreams.
1+
Maybe someone do that for profit, I will support.
Let's hope it's gonna happen!
Best Regards
JL
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - teenix - 11-03-2017 12:59 AM
(11-02-2017 10:16 PM)Harald Wrote: Hi Tony,
which USB chip are you using? Might be worth me switching to the same you are using to avoid any incompatibilities.
Cheers,
Harald
PS: I can see my parcel has arrived in Australia, but after that they don't provide tracking information anymore.
Hi Harald,
The same as yours, FTD232R.
There is one difference, the USB chip can be in an OFF state on my board. I had to use inverted TX and DTR on this chip and the PIC as there is a possibility that these pins could be driven via the MCLR pullup resistor and the PIC TX pin. MCLR is isolated from the 232 chip via a NPN trans.
This won't affect your board as the TX is not inverted for your version.
No knocks on the door yet.
cheers
Tony
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - teenix - 11-06-2017 02:49 AM
Hi all,
Just an update on the multi kit progress.
95% of parts have arrived and the PCB design is now at the fabricators being manufactured.
I managed to squeeze in another calculator, which makes 21 models in all now.
The latest model is the HP10 KISS calculator.
For the purists, the original microcode for this model is not available and most likely never will because all internals are on the one chip and would be very difficult to get at without dissolving the plastic casing to get access to the die(s).
I sat down awhile back and wrote my own HP microcode for this model. It won't be exactly what the HP engineers came up with but it works as detailed in the owners manual. The code can be examined in operation on the simulator from http://www.teenix.org
cheers
Tony
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - PANAMATIK - 11-06-2017 04:59 AM
Please put me on your list for a kit ready to assemble!
The HP-10 is the only LED calculator, which I don't have in my collection.
Bernhard
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - Dani R. - 11-06-2017 08:15 PM
One assembled for me too.
Cheers
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - scrubbed - 11-07-2017 04:42 AM
I also would like one built and tested. I'm thinking I may want the USB to be installed, fully built, and tested.
What are the physical dimensions of this unit, with and without the USB? Does presence of the USB greatly change the unit's physicality?
Thank you so much!
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - teenix - 11-07-2017 06:01 AM
(11-06-2017 04:59 AM)PANAMATIK Wrote: Please put me on your list for a kit ready to assemble!
The HP-10 is the only LED calculator, which I don't have in my collection.
Bernhard
Hi Bernhard
I have been playing around with the HP10 and I have found a few bugs in the microcode that I missed previously. I will try to fix them, but I'll have to put it on the back burner for a bit until I get the rest of this project finished.
The PIC code be upgraded via the USB port, so the calculator can be added at a later time.
cheers
Tony
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - teenix - 11-07-2017 06:09 AM
(11-07-2017 04:42 AM)scrubbed Wrote: I also would like one built and tested. I'm thinking I may want the USB to be installed, fully built, and tested.
What are the physical dimensions of this unit, with and without the USB? Does presence of the USB greatly change the unit's physicality?
Thank you so much!
The PCB measures approx. 12cm x 6cm with USB parts included.
cheers
Tony
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - c_d - 11-07-2017 06:16 AM
Tony,
count me in with one.
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - teenix - 11-24-2017 11:36 AM
Hi all,
Just an update on the multi calculator kit.
I have all the parts as of today, and am still waiting on the PCBs to arrive.
I have been asked to do 2 weeks flying at Coober Pedy to fill in for a pilot who wanted to go home early. In my spare time, while I am here I will finalise some additions to the software and check over everything.
I am about half way into rewriting the HP-10 KISS microcode, somewhat difficult, and expect that will be ready by the time I get home.
The PCBs should be delivered by then and I will build and test a working model.
The prototype so far seems to be working fine.
cheers
Tony
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - pier4r - 11-24-2017 10:20 PM
Is the microcode in any online repository?
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - teenix - 11-24-2017 11:18 PM
(11-24-2017 10:20 PM)pier4r Wrote: Is the microcode in any online repository?
The original HP microcode that the emulator executes is available at various web places and from my emulators.
The PIC code is the machinery to get it all working. It now uses about 120KB of assembler code and is quite complex plus it can also interact and handshake with the PC emulator software. There is probably not much point in opening it up, but perhaps later on.
cheers
Tony
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - teenix - 11-27-2017 01:05 AM
Hi all,
Just a query before I delve into new depths of coding.
I was wondering how people feel about keeping the multi-calc kit working as original as possible.
I have had a query or two about being able to store/recall programs for non card reader models like HP-25, HP-34c etc.
I can do his if required, albeit a lot of coding, or I can keep things the way they were.
As most would already know, these models were not originally set up for loading or saving a program, so a program cannot just "appear" in memory or weird things can happen. Of course, the coding will take care of any house keeping.
cheers
Tony
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - rprosperi - 11-27-2017 02:31 AM
(11-27-2017 01:05 AM)teenix Wrote: I was wondering how people feel about keeping the multi-calc kit working as original as possible.
Tony - Thanks for asking for input!
IMHO, these awesome clone devices need as a first priority to be completely compatible with existing machines and programs; I know you get this as you've gone to great lengths to achieve this with your emulators.
While features such as program import and export (to ease entering and sharing) are certainly handy and appreciated, they aren't essential and if possible to implement seamlessly (without affecting simulation fidelity), perhaps such features could be released in a subsequent update (assuming the f/w can be easily updated via USB or similar connection) so folks can rack up some miles and possibly find bugs in parallel with development of these enhancements. Actual use may also suggest other refinements as well.
Again, thanks for seeking input from the masses.
RE: Multi Calculator Kit - pier4r - 11-27-2017 06:40 AM
I agree with rprosperi.
First a working release (that may still have a bug here or there , the project is surely not trivial ) , then new reasonable features that are always welcomed.