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HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Marcel - 05-16-2023 09:53 PM
Hi!
On my HP 15C LE, the f and g keys moves but the other keys are fix (don’t moves freely).
This is a know problem of the keyboard for the 15C LE.
Do you know if the HP 15C CE will have the same problem?
Thank you!
Marcel
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - rprosperi - 05-16-2023 10:01 PM
(05-16-2023 09:53 PM)Marcel Wrote: Do you know if the HP 15C CE will have the same problem?
No one knows yet (except maybe Jose, but that's a sample of only 1) as they are not available until about August, however they are based on the same 12C design that has been manufactured for the past several years in Philippines, which has a much better keyboard than the LE and other units made in China around the same time, which do not have the loose key problem.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Marcel - 05-16-2023 10:05 PM
Hi!
Thank you rprosperi, I wish my future HP 15C CE will be OK!
Marcel!
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - rprosperi - 05-16-2023 10:19 PM
(05-16-2023 10:05 PM)Marcel Wrote: Thank you rprosperi, I wish my future HP 15C CE will be OK!
You and me both!
But in truth, if the only thing it does is cause the price of 15C LE units on eBay to fall, I will still be happy.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Voldemar - 05-16-2023 11:23 PM
HP 15C CE must be perfect
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Eric Rechlin - 05-17-2023 02:15 AM
The 15c CE is presumably going to be identical to the current production run of the 12c (which has no "Hewlett-Packard" name on the bezel), and for that calculator, I can indeed say that the [f] and [g] keys are "loose" compared to the rest, because they are single keys (due to the separate plastic color) rather than being attached to all the other keys.
So yes, it seems you will notice this same nuance with the 15c CE that you noticed with the 15c LE.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - redglyph - 08-01-2023 12:03 PM
(05-16-2023 09:53 PM)Marcel Wrote: Hi!
On my HP 15C LE, the f and g keys moves but the other keys are fix (don’t moves freely).
This is a know problem of the keyboard for the 15C LE.
Do you know if the HP 15C CE will have the same problem?
Thank you!
Marcel
I can confirm that there is the same problem on the HP 15C CE. If you call that a problem; it's only an aesthetic issue.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Valentin Albillo - 08-01-2023 02:27 PM
(08-01-2023 12:03 PM)redglyph Wrote:(05-16-2023 09:53 PM)Marcel Wrote: Hi!
On my HP 15C LE, the f and g keys moves but the other keys are fix (don’t moves freely).
This is a know problem of the keyboard for the 15C LE.
Do you know if the HP 15C CE will have the same problem?
I can confirm that there is the same problem on the HP 15C CE. [...]
I can confirm that my CE doesn't have that problem. Maybe it depends on the batch. Mine is #00236.
V.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - redglyph - 08-02-2023 08:39 AM
(08-01-2023 02:27 PM)Valentin Albillo Wrote:(08-01-2023 12:03 PM)redglyph Wrote: I can confirm that there is the same problem on the HP 15C CE. [...]
I can confirm that my CE doesn't have that problem. Maybe it depends on the batch. Mine is #00236.
V.
That's strange. Was yours built in Philippines too? Mine has this tag at the top (on the back side): L/NO. 9CJ323, which I suppose is related to the production line and perhaps the batch. My serial number is 00254.
If there are such differences, it would explain that some people have issues with the keys and others don't. I saw a different manual in another thread - a ring-bound one - and I first thought it was custom-made but perhaps the manuals are different too?
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RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Gene - 08-02-2023 11:10 AM
No ring bound manuals were produced.
F you have seen one, a user did that themselves.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - redglyph - 08-02-2023 11:46 AM
(08-02-2023 11:10 AM)Gene Wrote: No ring bound manuals were produced.
F you have seen one, a user did that themselves.
How do you know that? I agree that it would make sense, except if they're produced in small series at different places (which seems to be the same for the calculators).
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Massimo Gnerucci - 08-02-2023 11:55 AM
(08-02-2023 11:46 AM)redglyph Wrote:(08-02-2023 11:10 AM)Gene Wrote: No ring bound manuals were produced.
F you have seen one, a user did that themselves.
How do you know that? I agree that it would make sense, except if they're produced in small series at different places (which seems to be the same for the calculators).
Believe me: Gene knows.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Gene - 08-02-2023 12:04 PM
All units were also made in the Philippines.
I worked with Eric Rechlin as he was editing the new 15C CE manual. You can see the intro ruin that Wlodek and I wrote at the beginning of the manual.
:-)
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - redglyph - 08-02-2023 12:22 PM
(08-02-2023 12:04 PM)Gene Wrote: All units were also made in the Philippines.
I worked with Eric Rechlin as he was editing the new 15C CE manual. You can see the intro ruin that Wlodek and I wrote at the beginning of the manual.
:-)
Oh, I love that intro; that's a neat addition to the package! I haven't read it entirely yet, so I missed the names at the end.
Thanks for writing it.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Vincent Weber - 08-02-2023 12:57 PM
I have just received mine - Thanks again to M. Divasson for his top-notch service and kindness!
CE's number is 00718.
Mine has f and g keys that are more mobile than the other keys. Hardly a problem, but it is noticeable.
Other than than, I tested all the keys, the "5" one initially showed some missed key strokes when press repeatedly. It seems that the problem is gone after a bit of use, though.
Also, the plate shows some white metal traces, as if some painting was missing, just below and under the R/S key. Oh well...
The machine seems to take dust a bit easily. Also, initially, gently pressing the LCD with my finger would generate some temporary black traces on screen. I can't reproduce that now, though.
I ordered the extra leather pouch, but I'm not sure whether I like it better than the standard one or not. It is a bit too big, and has no HP logo...
All in all despite these very minor issues, this seems like a quality product, I'm quite happy with it!
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - paf - 08-02-2023 07:11 PM
For the leather pouch being to large, put it into water for few hours, dry it if possible quickly, and it will shrink. I did it with the first one I ordered for a 11C, and after this it fitted perfectly.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Thomas Radtke - 08-03-2023 07:21 AM
(05-16-2023 09:53 PM)Marcel Wrote: On my HP 15C LE, the f and g keys moves but the other keys are fix (don’t moves freely).They aren't in the same grid as the black keys, so understandably they have less stability rotationwise. Like with the LE, this might be the case to a varying degree.
This is a know problem of the keyboard for the 15C LE.
Do you know if the HP 15C CE will have the same problem?
On mine (LE and CE), you wouldn't notice if you didn't know what to look for.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - rprosperi - 08-03-2023 12:11 PM
(08-03-2023 07:21 AM)Thomas Radtke Wrote: They aren't in the same grid as the black keys, so understandably they have less stability rotationwise. Like with the LE, this might be the case to a varying degree.
Good explanation, and useful too, as it appears some readers don't know how these are made so this helps.
(08-03-2023 07:21 AM)Thomas Radtke Wrote: On mine (LE and CE), you wouldn't notice if you didn't know what to look for.
This really is the key point!
Those that have this 'issue' are looking for it, while those that don't have it, are busy just using it.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - paf - 08-04-2023 10:37 AM
(08-03-2023 12:11 PM)rprosperi Wrote: This really is the key point!
Those that have this 'issue' are looking for it, while those that don't have it, are busy just using it.
I do agree this is not really an issue, but that's not something I noticed on the original one. Nevertheless the build quality of the CE is really high.
In mine the thing I regret is the presence of a particle behind the screen.
RE: HP 15C CE f and g Keys. - Thomas Radtke - 08-04-2023 11:27 AM
The original Voyagers had a keyboard peculiarity, too. The enter key has a little less travel than the other keys. On this forum, it has often been asked if this was normal. With wear, the difference became even more notable.