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RE: DM32 - Christoph Giesselink - 05-28-2022 06:16 PM
(05-28-2022 12:22 PM)ijabbott Wrote: I wonder if it is possible to fit a larger capacity RAM chip and/or an additional RAM chip in the 32SII and it be usable by the software?
The 512B RAM is integrated in the one and only chip 1LR3 Sacajawea of the HP32SII. The Saturn BUS signal pins are for debug purpose only and must be activated at reset condition. So the HP32SII is not prepared for initializing and using additional RAM like the HP28C and the HP42S.
RE: DM32 - Joe Horn - 05-28-2022 10:16 PM
Those who want the functionality of an HP 32SII but more RAM might be satisfied with an HP 33s, which is program compatible with the 32SII, runs programs faster, and has over 80 times as much user-available RAM (31277 bytes instead of 384 bytes). It also contains a Constants Library, ENG→ and ←ENG display keys by request from engineers and scientists, and a few new functions, such as INTG, INT÷, and RMDR. It also has the benefit of being ugly as hell, so it's far less prone to being stolen than the 32SII.
RE: DM32 - johanw - 05-29-2022 12:48 AM
(05-25-2022 11:56 PM)Dave Britten Wrote:(05-25-2022 11:35 PM)Joe Horn Wrote: Features? You want features? The DM32 has the feature of being a programmable RPN pocket calculator which you do not yet own. That alone is sufficient motivation for most of us to buy one.
It will likely also have the distinction of containing vastly more RAM than the 32SII, and that's a good enough feature for me!
As far as I can see that would be the only advantage it would have over the DM15. On the other hand the 32S has less complex and no matrix functionality compared to the DM15.
I won't start the argument about the form factor... But all in all, for larger programs I already have a DM42, for fast access a 15 and a 15L, I don't see a DM32 filling any real niche here.
RE: DM32 - trojdor - 05-29-2022 01:11 AM
(05-28-2022 10:16 PM)Joe Horn Wrote: Those who want the functionality of an HP 32SII but more RAM might be satisfied with an HP 33s, which is program compatible with the 32SII, runs programs faster, and has over 80 times as much user-available RAM (31277 bytes instead of 384 bytes). It also contains a Constants Library, ENG→ and ←ENG display keys by request from engineers and scientists, and a few new functions, such as INTG, INT÷, and RMDR. It also has the benefit of being ugly as hell, so it's far less prone to being stolen than the 32SII.
...and that's exactly why I never got the 33s.
I know it runs fine, it's NCEES approved....but it just looks like a cheap sci-fi prop, lol.
mike
RE: DM32 - jonmoore - 05-29-2022 11:31 AM
(05-29-2022 12:48 AM)johanw Wrote:(05-25-2022 11:56 PM)Dave Britten Wrote: It will likely also have the distinction of containing vastly more RAM than the 32SII, and that's a good enough feature for me!
As far as I can see that would be the only advantage it would have over the DM15. On the other hand the 32S has less complex and no matrix functionality compared to the DM15.
I won't start the argument about the form factor... But all in all, for larger programs I already have a DM42, for fast access a 15 and a 15L, I don't see a DM32 filling any real niche here.
That's my take too. And as for the 33s, not only is it pig ugly, when you add the congested faceplate of the 32S family of calculators to that horrendous mobile phone industrial design, the UX is seriously compromised.
Those HP collectors who simply have to have everything will see the DM32 as something essential for their collection. But for my needs, I prefer that each calculator in my collection has significant individual strengths. In 2022 I have no interest in complex/matrix math capabilities in a Voyager form factor, but if I want something lightweight for e.g. retail therapy sessions with my partner, I head for either my 11C or 12C (I sold my 15C as it sat gathering dust). If I'm wearing clothing with secure pockets, the DM41x is my 'pocketable' calculator of choice (I have a DM42 too, which I love, but it's simply not as flexible as the DM41x).
My most recent purchase was a 48GX, which was odd on the surface of things as I'd sold my original 48GX when I got a 50g. I only purchased it as 1.) I got it for a reasonable price here in Europe, and 2.) having explored different configurations in EMU48, I realised I could set up a SpeedUI configuration without the need for a 128K card in port 1 and still leave myself plenty of working RAM in port 0 (I used Meta Kernal back in the day, with Erable, ALG48 and suchlike).
Getting back to using HP calculators for their individual strengths, I don't use Erable on the 48GX (but I do use ALG48). If I want CAS features, I rather reach for the 50g or the Prime. But the combination of exceptional industrial design, coupled with thoughtful interaction design at a software level makes the 48GX a beast for numerical calculations. Plus, https://www.hpcalc.org/ has a large number of excellent programs that never made their way to the 50g.
Having sung the praises of HP's mature RPL calculators, I actually use my 28S and 19BII most often at home as I adore the form factor of the clamshell Pioneers. And this will seem bizarre to many, I also love their displays, which are optimised for typical slanted viewing angles that occur when a calculator is laid flat on a desktop 10-15cm to the fore. The 48GX and 50g are significantly more powerful than the 28S but the 28S covers most of my typical calculator use. I also like that the simplified set of RPL functions means that I tend to program the 28S more than the 48GX and 50g, as I have a better handle on its smaller set of RPL functions (programming the 48GX and 50g, relies on constant trips to their respective advanced user guides).
The 19BII is mainly used for its equation solver as it has all of the power of the 27S but benefits from the alpha keyboard on the left panel of its clamshell design. This makes entering equations significantly easier than with other Pioneer calculators that feature the same equation solver.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, the one itch that SM could scratch for me personally would be a modern take on the 48GX, with all the benefits of storage, processing power, and display technology that a modern design could possibly offer.
I can honestly say that outside of finding a 27s at the right price (here in Europe - the combination of VAT and import charges makes US purchases prohibitive), I'm happy with my existing collection of HP calculators. Well, a bargain HP-97 would find a loving home too, but I've more chance of winning the lottery than scoring that particular bounty!
RE: DM32 - John Keith - 05-29-2022 05:24 PM
(05-29-2022 11:31 AM)jonmoore Wrote: As mentioned earlier in this thread, the one itch that SM could scratch for me personally would be a modern take on the 48GX, with all the benefits of storage, processing power, and display technology that a modern design could possibly offer.
To expand on my earlier post and one I made in an earlier thread:
> Color scheme of the 48S (dark brown background, blue and gold shift keys).
> Keyboard layout of the 48G.
> Ability to switch between NewRPL (faster and more efficient) and EMU48 (or equivalent) for compatibility with legacy libraries and SysRPL/assembly code. Also simple transfer of objects between the two systems.
> Display at least 320 X 240, preferably better.
I'm not holding my breath as there seems to be little interest at SM, but one can hope.
RE: DM32 - Namir - 05-30-2022 10:39 AM
OK Swiss Micros .... bring it on! I am ready to order your new DM32 ..... let's not waste more time chita chatting about it!
Namir
RE: DM32 - Required - 05-30-2022 10:45 AM
I’m a bit interested in the DM32 as well to complement my 42S.
Although I have a DM42 en route.
Have their been any hints on when the 32 might ship? Was pondering if I should return the 42 when it arrives and go for the 32 instead.
What’s the collective take on them?
Complementing or replacing each other?
RE: DM32 - jonmoore - 05-30-2022 12:35 PM
(05-29-2022 05:24 PM)John Keith Wrote:(05-29-2022 11:31 AM)jonmoore Wrote: As mentioned earlier in this thread, the one itch that SM could scratch for me personally would be a modern take on the 48GX, with all the benefits of storage, processing power, and display technology that a modern design could possibly offer.
> Color scheme of the 48S (dark brown background, blue and gold shift keys).
Personal taste is a strange thing. The brown casing of the 28S is my least favourite aspect, and my feeling is much the same with regards to the 48S. I prefer the 48GX colour scheme by some margin because the turquoise shift key colour labels are harmonious with the GX display background colour/s.
But hey I'd be over the moon with joy with an SM 48GX full stop. And I trust where the SM design aesthetics have evolved to these days. It took them a while to find their feet, but the 42S and 41x (and yes the DM32) faceplate designs are pretty solid now (typography could be tweaked, but I'm being an ultra fussy design-nerd on that front).
RE: DM32 - ijabbott - 05-30-2022 07:21 PM
(05-30-2022 10:45 AM)Required Wrote: Have their been any hints on when the 32 might ship?
There is a hint in the preview video but it could be a red herring.
RE: DM32 - Required - 05-30-2022 07:49 PM
(05-30-2022 07:21 PM)ijabbott Wrote:(05-30-2022 10:45 AM)Required Wrote: Have their been any hints on when the 32 might ship?
There is a hint in the preview video but it could be a red herring.
Thanks.
Let’s see if the release comes before the arrival of my order of the DM42 then.
RE: DM32 - Michael de Estrada - 05-30-2022 08:56 PM
(05-30-2022 07:21 PM)ijabbott Wrote:(05-30-2022 10:45 AM)Required Wrote: Have their been any hints on when the 32 might ship?
There is a hint in the preview video but it could be a red herring.
Well, we won't have to wait very long to find out.
RE: DM32 - ijabbott - 05-31-2022 09:40 PM
(05-30-2022 07:49 PM)Required Wrote:(05-30-2022 07:21 PM)ijabbott Wrote: There is a hint in the preview video but it could be a red herring.
Thanks.
Let’s see if the release comes before the arrival of my order of the DM42 then.
I wouldn't send the DM42 back. It's a nice machine and the programming environment is nowhere near as limited as the HP-32S (and presumably the DM32).
RE: DM32 - BillBee - 06-01-2022 10:59 AM
(05-31-2022 09:40 PM)ijabbott Wrote:(05-30-2022 07:49 PM)Required Wrote: Thanks.
Let’s see if the release comes before the arrival of my order of the DM42 then.
I wouldn't send the DM42 back. It's a nice machine and the programming environment is nowhere near as limited as the HP-32S (and presumably the DM32).
One can never have enough tools in the toolbox.
-Bill
RE: DM32 - Required - 06-01-2022 11:22 AM
I hear you guys.
RE: DM32 - Eddie W. Shore - 06-01-2022 12:22 PM
Just checked out the Swiss Micros web site. No mention of the DM32 yet. Key word: yet.
RE: DM32 - Required - 06-01-2022 04:41 PM
I'm sorry to bring you all less happy news.
I reached out to Swissmicros about the DM32 and was just told:
the DM32 is delayed due to chip shortage and most likely the release must wait until next year.
RE: DM32 - Bill (Smithville NJ) - 06-01-2022 07:19 PM
(06-01-2022 04:41 PM)Required Wrote: I'm sorry to bring you all less happy news.
I reached out to Swissmicros about the DM32 and was just told:
the DM32 is delayed due to chip shortage and most likely the release must wait until next year.
So when they posted the 24 second video on May 6, they knew it was only a "TEASE". They had to know three weeks ago that they would be encountering a parts shortage and most likely wouldn't de delivering anything this year. In my book, companies that post this way loose a lot a credibility with me.
They should at least post an update in the comments section of their Teaser Video!!
73
Bill WD9EQD
SMithville, NJ
RE: DM32 - Eddie W. Shore - 06-02-2022 02:57 AM
(06-01-2022 04:41 PM)Required Wrote: I'm sorry to bring you all less happy news.
I reached out to Swissmicros about the DM32 and was just told:
the DM32 is delayed due to chip shortage and most likely the release must wait until next year.
This news is not happy at all. Given that relief in the chip industry may not come until at least next year, we may not see any new products for a while.
The 2020s just.... I am still ready to skip forward a few centuries.
RE: DM32 - Steve Simpkin - 06-02-2022 03:10 AM
Additional information from Michael on the SwissMicros forum:
https://forum.swissmicros.com/viewtopic.php?p=23199#p23199
"Re: May 2022 Speculations
Post by Michael » Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:12 am
We have been preparing the release of the DM32 for a while now, and it was last scheduled for Q4 2022. Both the hardware and software are in good shape, but still need work. The STM32L4 CPU used in the DM42 is popular and used in many other projects worldwide. So, especially during the global chip shortage, many more are standing in line for this particular CPU. Last year, STM released a new CPU generation, the STM32U5 series. We instantly placed a large order for this chip. About a month ago, we received a delivery confirmation from the distributor for October this year. We decided to turn this into an opportunity and chose to upgrade the DM32 platform to a faster, more energy-efficient CPU. We will also change the USB socket to USB-C. It is a frustration to us not to be able to make the release announcement yet, but we believe the added features will make the extra wait worthwhile."