 Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Printable Version +- HP Forums (https://www.hpmuseum.org/forum) +-- Forum: Not HP Calculators (/forum-7.html) +--- Forum: Not remotely HP Calculators (/forum-9.html) +--- Thread: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS (/thread-11871.html) Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Albert Chan - 11-29-2018 05:28 PM y^4 + A y^2 + B y + C = 0 y^4 + 2D y^2 + D^2 = (2D - A) y^2 - B y + (D^2 - C) For some value of D, RHS can be made a perfect square: (y^2 + D)^2 = (2D - A) * (y - (B/2)/(2D-A))^2 Let E = √(2D-A), F = -B/(2E), Quartic => (y^2 + E y + D+F)(y^2 - E y + D-F) = 0 Example: f(x) = x^4 + 2 x^3 + 3 x^2 + 4 x + 5 = 0 Depress the Quartic (remove cubic term) by substitute x = y + k, where k = -b/(4a) We get depressed quartic: y^4 + A y^2 + B y + C k = -b/(4a) = -2/4 = -0.5 C = f(k) = 3.5625 B = f(k−1) = 4.0625 A = f(k+1) = 8.0625 B = (A - B) / 2 = 2 A = A - 1 - B - C = 1.5 Find D such that RHS is perfect square, i.e. discriminant = B^2 - 4(2D - A)(D^2 - C) = 0 We do not want complex values for E, so 2D ≥ A, D^2 ≥ C: D ≥ max(A/2, √C) ≈ max(0.75, 1.904) = 1.904 A trick to force Casio FX-115MS to solve for D: 0ABC + B^2 - 4(2D - A)(D^2 - C) D = 1.99130646 (Casio SOLVE, with guessed D = 2) E = √(2D-A) = 1.575630959 F = -B/(2E) = -0.6346663818 Quadratic Solver, enter a=1, b=+E, c=D+F, roots = −0.78781548 ± 0.857896758 i Quadratic Solver, enter a=1, b=−E, c=D-F , roots = +0.78781548 ± 1.416093080 i x roots = y roots + k = -1.28781548 ± 0.857896758 i, 0.28781548 ± 1.416093080 i For calculator without Quad Solver, we can use this: y^2 + E y + (D+F) = 0 ==> y = −E/2 ± √(−F - D/2 - A/4) y^2 − E y + (D−F) = 0 ==> y = +E/2 ± √(+F - D/2 - A/4) Since C=(D+F)(D-F), we might derive 1 from the other, hopefully better accuracy too. RE: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Albert Chan - 11-29-2018 10:31 PM (11-29-2018 05:28 PM)Albert Chan Wrote:  A trick to force Casio FX-115MS to solve for D: 0ABC + B^2 - 4(2D - A)(D^2 - C) Discover a simpler way to solve for D, without the 0ABC + ... hack B^2 - 4(2D - A)(D^2 - C) [SOLVE] Enter the values like before, but scroll back to D= line before pressing [SOLVE] If A, B, C were values already stored, scroll directly to D=, enter guess, scroll up, then [SOLVE] If calculated D too small, below max(A/2, √C), press [SOLVE] again with higher guess. This was vaguely (if followed the keystrokes) stated in the manual ... Oh well Edit: although D can be solved with Cubic Solver, I worried about its bugs. Calculated D must be very accurate, otherwise all 4 roots will be bad. Without the bugs, Cubic Solver is easier. Just enter the coefficients: a = -8, b = 4A, c = 8C, d = B^2-4AC, we get x1 = 1.99130646 RE: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Albert Chan - 02-04-2019 01:39 PM (11-29-2018 05:28 PM)Albert Chan Wrote:  Example: f(x) = x^4 + 2 x^3 + 3 x^2 + 4 x + 5 = 0 Depress the Quartic (remove cubic term) by substitute x = y + k, where k = -b/(4a) We get depressed quartic: y^4 + A y^2 + B y + C Using Casio CALC, evaluate f(x) at y = 0, ±1 ... Another way to calculate shifted polynomial coefficients is repeated synthetic divisions. Shift x-axis to k = -2/(4*1) = -0.5 k> 1 2 3 4 5 k> 1 1.5 2.25 2.875 3.5625 <-- C k> 1 1.0 1.75 2 <-- B k> 1 0.5 1.5 <-- A Repeated differentiations also work: C = f(k) = k^4 + 2 k^3 + 3 k^2 + 4 k + 5 = 3.5625 B = f'(k) = 4k^3 + 6k^2 + 6k + 4 = 2 A = f''(k)/2! = (12k^2 + 12k + 6) / 2! = 1.5 As expected: y^3 coef. = (24k + 12) / 3! = 0, y^4 coef. = (24) / 4! = 1 RE: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Albert Chan - 08-24-2019 12:47 PM (11-29-2018 05:28 PM)Albert Chan Wrote:  Find D such that RHS is perfect square, i.e. discriminant = B^2 - 4(2D - A)(D^2 - C) = 0 We do not want complex values for E, so 2D ≥ A, D^2 ≥ C: D ≥ max(1.5/2, √3.5625) = max(0.75, 1.904) = 1.904 A trick to force Casio FX-115MS to solve for D: 0ABC + B^2 - 4(2D - A)(D^2 - C) D = 1.99130646 (Casio SOLVE, with guessed D = 2) For many calculators, [SOLVE] might not be available. We can setup Newtons iterations to get D 2 = Ans - (B² - 4(2 Ans - A)(Ans² - C)) ÷ (8(C + Ans(A - 3 Ans = → 1.99137931 = → 1.991306465 = → 1.99130646 Note: for Casio FX-115MS, it is not necessary to put bracket before 8 However, without the bracket, formula is ambiguous: https://plus.maths.org/content/pemdas-paradox RE: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Albert Chan - 08-30-2019 02:02 PM An old algorithm for solving Quartics: Brown's method (source: W.S. Brown, "Solution of Biquadratic Equations", Aircraft Engineering, 16,14 (1944) Quartics: x^4 + A x^3 + B x^2 + C x + D = 0 Step 1: get Y, the largest real root of resolvent cubics y^3 - B y^2 + (AC-4D) y + D(4B-A²)-C² = 0 it will work for any root of cubics, but later quadratics might involve complex numbers. Step 2: solve 2 quadratics c^2 - A c + (B-Y) = 0 d^2 - Y d + D = 0 Step 3: make sure roots, c1 d2 + c2 d1 = C. If not, swap d1, d2. This may required calculation of c1 d1 + c2 d2 as well, due to numerical imprecision. I have a slight improvement in this step, see example below Step 4: solve 2 more quadratics, the 4 roots is the roots of Quartics: x^2 + c1 x + d1 = 0 x^2 + c2 x + d2 = 0 Example: solve x^4 + 2 x^3 + 3 x^2 + 4 x + 5 = 0 A = 2 B = 3 C = 4 D = 5 E = AC-4D = -12 F = D(4B-A²)-C² = 24 y^3 - B y^2 + E y + F = 0 → Y = 4.482612919 c^2 - A c + (B-Y) = 0 ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿→ [c1,c2] = [-0.575630959, 2.575630959] d^2 - Y d + D = 0 ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿→ [d1,d2] = [2.088157364, 2.394455555] if B and Y nearly equal, we may use another form for B-Y Y^2 (Y-B) + E Y + F = 0 → B-Y = (E Y + F) / Y² Calculate AY/2 If AY/2 > C, make sure roots of c,d sorted the same way If AY/2 < C, make sure roots of c,d sorted opposite way For this case, AY/2 = Y > C, thus c,d roots sorted the same way. x^2 + c1 x + d1 = 0 → x = 0.2878154795 ± 1.416093081 i x^2 + c2 x + d2 = 0 → x = -1.287815480 ± 0.8578967571 i RE: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Albert Chan - 09-02-2019 02:35 PM (08-30-2019 02:02 PM)Albert Chan Wrote:  An old algorithm for solving Quartics: Brown's method ... c^2 - A c + (B-Y) = 0 d^2 - Y d + D = 0 Step 3: make sure roots, c1 d2 + c2 d1 = C. If not, swap d1, d2 ... Calculate AY/2 If AY/2 > C, make sure roots of c,d sorted the same way If AY/2 < C, make sure roots of c,d sorted opposite way To show AY/2 trick work, let roots, [c1,c2] = [p+q, p-q], [d1,d2] = [r+s,r-s] C = c1 d2 + c2 d1 = (p+q)(r-s) + (p-q)(r+s) = (pr - ps + qr - qs) + (pr + ps - qr - qs) = 2pr - 2qs = 2(A/2)(Y/2) - 2qs = AY/2 - 2qs If AY/2 = C, then 2qs = 0, sort order does not matter. If AY/2 > C, then 2qs > 0, thus c,d roots sorted the same way. If AY/2 < C, then 2qs < 0, thus c,d roots sorted opposite way. RE: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Albert Chan - 02-01-2020 12:27 PM Found a Quartic Solver from https://thomasokken.com/free42/ It uses the same resolvent cubics as Brown's method, without sorting the roots. (08-30-2019 02:02 PM)Albert Chan Wrote:  Example: solve x^4 + 2 x^3 + 3 x^2 + 4 x + 5 = 0 A = 2 B = 3 C = 4 D = 5 E = AC-4D = -12 F = D(4B-A²)-C² = 24 y^3 - B y^2 + E y + F = 0 → Y = 4.482612919 c^2 - A c + (B-Y) = 0 ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿→ [c1,c2] = [-0.575630959, 2.575630959] d^2 - Y d + D = 0 ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿﻿ ﻿ ﻿ ﻿→ [d1,d2] = [2.088157364, 2.394455555] if B and Y nearly equal, we may use another form for B-Y Y^2 (Y-B) + E Y + F = 0 → B-Y = (E Y + F) / Y² Calculate AY/2 If AY/2 > C, make sure roots of c,d sorted the same way If AY/2 < C, make sure roots of c,d sorted opposite way For this case, AY/2 = Y > C, thus c,d roots sorted the same way. x^2 + c1 x + d1 = 0 → x = 0.2878154795 ± 1.416093081 i x^2 + c2 x + d2 = 0 → x = -1.287815480 ± 0.8578967571 i Upto calculations of Y is identical E = √(A²/4 - B + Y) = 1.575630959 F = √(Y²/4 - D) = 0.153149095 → [c1,c2] = A/2 ± E = [2.575630959, -0.575630959] → [d1,d2] = Y/2 ∓ F = [2.088157364, 2.394455555] Unfortunately, the roots are in wrong order ! Solving (x^2 + c1 x + d1)(x^2 + c2 x + d2) = 0, gives all wrong roots. Can anyone try the actual code, or am I mistaken somewhere ? Source in https://thomasokken.com/free42/42progs/, named G4G RE: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - Albert Chan - 03-13-2020 06:30 PM (02-01-2020 12:27 PM)Albert Chan Wrote:  Unfortunately, the roots are in wrong order ! Solving (x^2 + c1 x + d1)(x^2 + c2 x + d2) = 0, gives all wrong roots. Can anyone try the actual code, or am I mistaken somewhere ? Source in https://thomasokken.com/free42/42progs/, named G4G Tried above program just now, for Quartic x^4 + 2 x^3 + 3 x^2 + 4 x + 5 = 0 2 Enter 3 Enter 4 Enter 5 XEQ "G4G" Output "X=I,Z=I" ⇒ roots = Y ± X*I, T ± Z*I ≈ -1.2878 ± -0.6555*I, 0.2878 ± -1.5204*I Correct root should be -1.2878 ± 0.8579*I, 0.2878 ± 1.416*I G4G code indeed gives the wrong roots RE: Solve Quartic with Casio FX-115MS - SlideRule - 03-14-2020 01:28 AM (08-24-2019 12:47 PM)Albert Chan Wrote:  Note: … without the bracket, formula is ambiguous: https://plus.maths.org/content/pemdas-paradox Most excellent article! I deployed 'GEMA' in my technical math classes, placing an additional emphasis on 'equality' { = ≠ ≡ ≈ < ≤ > ≥ := etc. } notation. The article parallels (for me anyway) the many aspects relating fallacy and ambiguity in language as documented in Fallacies Arising from Ambiguity (APPLIED LOGIC SERIES), DOUGLAS WALTON, Department of Philosophy, University of Winnipeg, Canada, © 1996, ISBN 978-94-015-8632-0 (eBook). SlideRule