Detect number entry on HP-35s?
02-28-2015, 09:53 PM (This post was last modified: 03-01-2015 12:15 AM by mbrethen.)
Post: #21
 mbrethen Junior Member Posts: 40 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
This doesn't achieve the goal I started with, but following Dieter's example:

Code:
W001 LBL W W002 INPUT R                        // starting register # W003 INPUT M                        // # lines W004 INPUT N                        // # columns W005 ABS W006 IP W007 STO N W008 1E3 W009 / W010 ENTER W011 SGN W012 + W013 STO T                          // temporary W014 RCL M W015 ABS W016 IP W017 STO M W018 1E3 W019 / W020 ENTER W021 SGN W022 + W023 STO L                         // line counter W024 RCL M W025 RCLx N W026 RCL R W027 STO I                         // address pointer W028 + W029 STO J                         // memory curtain W030 STO (J)                       // store non-zero value W031 RCL T W032 STO S                         // stack (column) counter W033 [IP(L),IP(S)] W034 STO E W035 ALL W036 INPUT E                       // display E? [line, stack] W037 STO(I) W038 ISG I W039 ENTER W040 ISG S W041 GTO W033 W042 ISG L W043 GTO W031 W044 EQN R+(R+(MxN)-1)/1E3+M/1E5  // control number bbb.eeell W045 RTN

Example:
Code:
            3   1   4   1       A =   5   9   2   6    starting with register  R11             5   3   5   8

control number = 11.02203 the first register is R11 , the last one is R22 and there are 3 lines. Store this in A to identify matrix A.

Could alternately enter the input in the stack instead (I'm not a fan of input queries):

REGY [M,N]
REGX R

A proposed test for scalar:

Code:
W037 EQN (E*[1,0])*(E*[0,1]) W038 X=0? W039 GTO XXX W040 RCL E W041 STO (I) . . .

If E=scalar the equation should always be 0; if E=vector (in terms of matrix position, i.e. never [0,0]) it should be a positive number <>0.
03-01-2015, 02:00 PM
Post: #22
 Dieter Senior Member Posts: 2,397 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
(02-28-2015 09:53 PM)mbrethen Wrote:  This doesn't achieve the goal I started with

I still do not understand what this goal is or was. Could you provide an example?

(02-28-2015 09:53 PM)mbrethen Wrote:  A proposed test for scalar:
...
If E=scalar the equation should always be 0; if E=vector (in terms of matrix position, i.e. never [0,0]) it should be a positive number <>0.

Fine. In the meantime I found a similar solution I was about to post.

Dieter
03-01-2015, 04:13 PM (This post was last modified: 03-01-2015 04:43 PM by Tugdual.)
Post: #23
 Tugdual Senior Member Posts: 755 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
My understanding if the goal is that we want to enter an undefined number of values and at some point signal that the table is complete. The expectation is that when the user has entered the last value and is asked for the next one, he would simply press Enter and then a flag should indicate that nothing was entered which means -> end of data entry.
Is that correct?

If that is the case, I would suggest KIS!
Don't use INPUT, just a simple STOP and then GTO in the data entry loop.

Then when data entry is complete, just have a second LBL B ready and expect the user to press XEC B when data entry is complete instead of entering a value and pressing R/S.

So the scenario would be:
Code:
XEQ A Enter value R/S Enter value R/S Enter value R/S Enter value R/S ... XEQ B

You're done.
Code sample:
Code:
A001 LBL A A002 0.999 A003 STO I A004 RCL I A005 IP     // shows index of next expected value (line above shows previous value) A006 STOP A007 STO(I) A008 ISG I A009 GTO A004 A010 SF 10 A011 EQN MAX 999 A012 RTN B001 LBL B etc...
03-01-2015, 07:48 PM
Post: #24
 mbrethen Junior Member Posts: 40 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
(03-01-2015 04:13 PM)Tugdual Wrote:  My understanding if the goal is that we want to enter an undefined number of values and at some point signal that the table is complete. The expectation is that when the user has entered the last value and is asked for the next one, he would simply press Enter and then a flag should indicate that nothing was entered which means -> end of data entry.
Is that correct?
Yes, all of the examples I've seen were limited to square matrices or vectors. Other than the user specifying a starting register and entering the element values, the program should do the rest.
03-01-2015, 08:59 PM
Post: #25
 Dieter Senior Member Posts: 2,397 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
(03-01-2015 07:48 PM)mbrethen Wrote:  Yes, all of the examples I've seen were limited to square matrices or vectors. Other than the user specifying a starting register and entering the element values, the program should do the rest.

OK, so the user enters, say, 12 values, and then simlpy presses R/S to indicate all elements have been entered (and stored). How does the program know if these 12 values define a 3x4 or 4x3 or 2x6 or 6x2 matrix?

Please forgive me if I once again have to ask for an example. What does the user enter, which keys are pressed, and what is the program supposed to do with this input. Please give a complete example with every single key pressed.

Dieter
03-02-2015, 02:26 AM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2015 02:51 AM by mbrethen.)
Post: #26
 mbrethen Junior Member Posts: 40 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
(03-01-2015 08:59 PM)Dieter Wrote:  OK, so the user enters, say, 12 values, and then simlpy presses R/S to indicate all elements have been entered (and stored). How does the program know if these 12 values define a 3x4 or 4x3 or 2x6 or 6x2 matrix?

The user puts the starting register on the stack. Executing the "matrix writer" program, it queries each element, column by column. When the user presses R/S the first time, that signals the end of first column and there are "m" rows. It then queries additional columns. When the user presses R/S a second time, that signals the end of the nth column and the program "learns" "m" rows and "n" columns. It finishes by placing a "control number" on the stack: bbb.eeerr

where
bbb = beginning register
eee = end register
rr = number of rows

This control number will be used by other programs that operate on the matrix.

Quote:Please forgive me if I once again have to ask for an example. What does the user enter, which keys are pressed, and what is the program supposed to do with this input. Please give a complete example with every single key pressed.

In the example posted earlier:

11 XEQ "W" the HP-35 displays A? [1,1]
3 R/S A? [2,1]
5 R/S A? [3,1]
5 R/S A? [4,1] first column is stored
R/S A? [1,2] now, the HP-35 knows the matrix has 3 rows

(continues until)

1 R/S A? [2,4]
6 R/S A? [3,4]
8 R/S A? [1,5] all the elements are stored
R/S

REGX = 11.02203 first register is R11 , last is R22 and there are 3 rows.

Sample code to query column:
Code:
W001 LBL W W002 SF 0 W003 STO I W004 1.001 W005 STO* I W006 ENTER W007 FP W008 STO J W009 1E3 W010 STO* J W011 RDN W012 X<> J W013 [IP(LASTx),IP(REGX)] W014 STO A W015 RDN W016 INPUT A W017 R^ W018 R^ W019 (A*[1,0])*(A*[0,1]) W020 X<>0? W021 GTO W049 W022 X<> A W023 STO(I) W024 CLX W025 1E-5 W026 FS? 0 W027 GTO W029 W028 CLX W029 STO+ I W030 SGN W031 STO+ I W032 + W033 FS? 0 W034 GTO W006 W035 RCL I

It's not complete, I need to add the logic to cycle through each column and then put the control number in the stack.
03-04-2015, 02:37 PM (This post was last modified: 03-04-2015 02:39 PM by Dieter.)
Post: #27
 Dieter Senior Member Posts: 2,397 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
(03-02-2015 02:26 AM)mbrethen Wrote:  The user puts the starting register on the stack. Executing the "matrix writer" program, it queries each element, column by column. When the user presses R/S the first time, that signals the end of first column and there are "m" rows. It then queries additional columns. When the user presses R/S a second time, that signals the end of the nth column and the program "learns" "m" rows and "n" columns. It finishes by placing a "control number" on the stack: bbb.eeerr

where
bbb = beginning register
eee = end register
rr = number of rows

This control number will be used by other programs that operate on the matrix.

OK, now I get what you want. The following code should be able to do this. Try it and see what you get.

Code:
W001  LBL W W002  ABS W003  IP W004  STO B    // base register# W005  0,9      // add 0,9 so that ISG increments, but always tests true W006  + W007  STO I    // start with entered base register W008  1 W009  + W010  STO J    // j=i+1 is used to prestore a non-zero value W011  1,9     W012  STO D    // d = 1,mmm. If m is not yet known, assume m is very large (e.g. 900) W013  SF 1     // set flag 1 to indicate that no empty entry occured yet W014  1,9 W015  STO C    // column index W016  RCL D W017  STO R    // row index W018  EQN [IP(R), IP(C)] W019  STO A W020  CLSTK W021  ALL W022  INPUT A W023  ENTER    // another way of checking whether W024  ABS      // x is scalar or vector W025  LASTx W026  [1,0] W027  x W028  ABS W029  x≠y?     // is x a vector (i.e. no entry was made?) W030  GTO W041 // then determine #rows resp. #columns W031  1 W032  STO(J)   // otherwise store non-zero value in variable (i+1) W033  R↑ W034  STO(I)   // store input in variable (i) W035  ISG I    // increment both i W036  ISG J    // and j W037  ISG R    // increment row index W038  GTO W018 // get next row W039  ISG C    // increment column index W040  GTO W016 // get next column W041  FS? 1    // first occurence of R/S without entry? W042  GTO W063 // then determine m = #rows W043  RCL C    // otherwise matrix is complete W044  IP W045  1 W046  - W047  STO N    // determine n = #columns W048  VIEW N W049  PSE W050  RCL M W051  1E5 W052  ÷ W053  RCL M W054  RCLx N W055  RCL+ B W056  1 W057  - W058  1E3 W059  ÷ W060  + W061  RCL+ B   // compute control number bbb.eeemm W062  RTN      // and quit W063  CF 1     // reset "first empty input" flag W064  RCL R W065  IP W066  1 W067  - W068  STO M    // determine m = #rows W069  1E3 W070  ÷ W071  1 W072  + W073  STO D    // compute 1,mmm W074  VIEW M     W075  PSE     W076  ISG C    // increment column index W077  GTO W016 // get next column

However, I think this method of entering a matrix is not a good idea. After the number of rows is known, the user has to enter complete columns. What happens if he doesn't? For instance, if there are m=3 rows but the user quits in column 5 after entering just one value? Are the following elements A[5,2] and A[5,3] assumed zero? Should the program throw an error? This would require some additional code after W043.

That's why I would prefer the classic approach: simply have the user enter m and n.

Dieter
03-06-2015, 04:27 PM (This post was last modified: 03-09-2015 05:09 AM by mbrethen.)
Post: #28
 mbrethen Junior Member Posts: 40 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
This performs most of the computations using just the stack. The A, I and T named variables are used for input, indirect register access and temporary storage, respectively. It is based on a program for the HP-41 by Jean-Marc Baillard. I have translated it for the HP-35s. In addition to the HP-41 Flag 22 issue, there were other parts of the code I had to work around: "sign" of zero results in 1 on the HP-41 (0 on the 35s) , ISG loop counter and STO arithmetic on the stack (e.g. STOx Y). As Dieter pointed out, the program isn't fail safe but I like the fact that it does all the bookkeeping for you.

Thanks to all who participated in this topic.

Code:
W001 LBL W W002 SF 1                   // set flag 1 to indicate first column W003 ABS W004 IP W005 STO I                  // start with entered base register W006 1.001 W007 STO* I W008 ENTER W009 FP W010 1E3 W011 * W012 EQN [IP(REGY),IP(REGX)] W013 STO A W014 R^ W015 R^ W016 ALL W017 INPUT A                // display A? [line, column] W018 ABS                    // check if x is scalar or vector W019 [1,0] W020 RCL* A W021 ABS W022 X<>Y?                  // is x a vector? W023 GTO W051               // next column W024 RDN W025 X<> A W026 STO(I)                 // store input in register (i) W027 CLX W028 1E-5 W029 FS? 1 W030 GTO W032 W031 GTO W033 W032 STO+ I                 // increment # of rows W033 SGN W034 STO+ I                 // increment register# W035 + W036 FS? 1                  // enter another element in the first column? W037 GTO W008 W038 RCL I W039 FP W040 STO T W041 ISG T W042 IP                     // skipped if base register is zero W043 X<> T W044 REGY W045 IP W046 - W047 X<0? W048 GTO W058 W049 RDN W050 GTO W008 W051 R^ W052 R^ W053 FS? 1                  // first column is stored? W054 GTO W056 W055 GTO W066               // all the elements are stored W056 CF 1                   // the next column indexes will be automatically incremented W057 ENTER W058 CLX W059 1E-3 W060 + W061 FP W062 STO T W063 ISG T W064 X<> T W065 GTO W008 W066 SGN                    // get the control number of the matrix W067 +/- W068 RCL+ I W069 IP W070 STO I W071 LASTX W072 FP W073 1E3 W074 * W075 FP W076 STO+ I W077 RDN W078 LASTX W079 IP W080 RCL I W081 1E3 W082 / W083 + W084 RTN CK=6CA0 LN=302

Revision History
3/6/15 – Fixed an issue with the loop counter at line 42.
3/7/15 – Shortened the control # routine.
3/8/15 - Added line W025 so that absolute value isn't stored.
03-08-2015, 01:28 PM (This post was last modified: 03-08-2015 01:43 PM by Dieter.)
Post: #29
 Dieter Senior Member Posts: 2,397 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
(03-06-2015 04:27 PM)mbrethen Wrote:  This performs most of the computations using just the stack. The A, I and T named variables are used for input, indirect register access and temporary storage, respectively. It is based on a program for the HP-41 by Jean-Marc Baillard. I have translated it for the HP-35s. In addition to the HP-41 Flag 22 issue, there were other parts of the code I had to work around:

More or less direkt translations of programs for other platforms are not always the best idea. On the HP41 saving registers makes sense, because every unused data register can be used to store the matrix and/or is available for additional program memory. That's why using the stack is a good idea. On the 35s however, the direct variables A–Z are always allocated and completely independent from program memory. They also do not store the matrix which resides in the indirect variables.

BTW: you should change your step W023 to RCL A. Otherwise always the absolute value of the input is stored.

(03-06-2015 04:27 PM)mbrethen Wrote:  As Dieter pointed out, the program isn't fail safe but I like the fact that it does all the bookkeeping for you.

The following code is an optimized version of my previous code. It also realizes if the user tries to cancel input before a complete row has been entered. It even detects if there is no input at all.

Code:
W001  LBL W W002  ABS W003  IP W004  STO B    // b = base register# W005  0,9      // set fractional part to 0,9 so that ISG increments and always tests true W006  STO C W007  STO D    // start with entered base register W008  + W009  STO I    // i = memory index, start with b W010  ISG C    // c = column index, start with 1 W011  ISG D    // d = 1,mmm. Since m is not yet known, assume m is very large (e.g. 900) W012  SF 1     // set flag 1 to indicate that no empty entry occured yet    W013  RCL D W014  STO R    // row index W015  EQN [IP(R),IP(C)] W016  STO A W017  CLSTK W018  ALL W019  INPUT A  // prompt A? [row,column] W021  ABS      // check whether x is scalar or vector W021  LASTx W022  [1,0] W023  x W024  ABS W025  x≠y?     // if x is a vector (i.e. no user input) W026  GTO W038 // then determine #rows resp. #columns W027  RCL I W028  STO J W029  ISG J W030  STO(J)   // otherwise store a non-zero value in variable (i+1) W031  RCL A    // recall input W032  STO(I)   // and store in variable (i) W033  ISG I    // increment register# W034  ISG R    // increment row index W035  GTO W015 // get next row W036  ISG C    // increment column index W037  GTO W013 // get next column W038  FS? 1    // first occurence of R/S without entry? W039  GTO W062 // then determine m = #rows W040  SGN      // at this point x = ip(r) W041  LASTx W042  x>y?     // input cancelled before column was completed (row>1)? W043  GTO W015 // then prompt again W044  CLSTK    // otherwise matrix is complete W045  RCL C W046  IP W047  STO N W048  SGN W049  STO- N   // determine n = #columns = c-1 W050  RCL M W051  % W052  RCL M W053  RCLx N W054  RCL+ B W055  + W056  x<>y     // y still has the 1 left from the % command W057  - W058  1E3 W059  ÷ W060  RCL+ B   // finished computing control number bbb.eeemm W061  RTN      // quit W062  STO M    // at this point x = ip(r) W063  DSE M    // determine m = #rows = r-1 W064  GTO W066 // m>0? then continue W065  GTO W015 // else no entry at all was made, prompt again W066  CF 1     // reset "first empty input" flag W067  RCL M W068  1E3 W069  ÷ W070  STO D W071  ISG D    // loop counter d = 1,mmm W072  GTO W036 // get next column

This version even requires less memory than the previous ones. The 35s reports LN=243.

Dieter
03-08-2015, 07:22 PM (This post was last modified: 03-08-2015 11:03 PM by mbrethen.)
Post: #30
 mbrethen Junior Member Posts: 40 Joined: Dec 2013
RE: Detect number entry on HP-35s?
(03-08-2015 01:28 PM)Dieter Wrote:  More or less direkt translations of programs for other platforms are not always the best idea.

I'm finding that out

Quote:BTW: you should change your step W023 to RCL A. Otherwise always the absolute value of the input is stored.

Noted.

Quote:This version even requires less memory than the previous ones. The 35s reports LN=243.

Dieter

That's a 20% reduction from my translation; but the original HP-41 program was only 132 bytes! Does that suggest the HP-41 platform was more efficient?
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