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HP 46 Calculator w/case and manual !!!
Message #1 Posted by gileno on 27 Feb 2007, 7:20 a.m.

Valentin I increased the number of "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

HP 46 - Link Ebay

[trimmed by moderator to a merely excessive number of !s]

Edited: 28 Feb 2007, 1:06 a.m. after one or more responses were posted

      
Re: HP 46 Calculator w/case and manual !!!
Message #2 Posted by Gene on 27 Feb 2007, 7:34 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by gileno

Are you going to post any and every ebay deal you think is good here?

            
Re: HP 46 Calculator w/case and manual !!!
Message #3 Posted by Maximilian Hohmann on 27 Feb 2007, 9:46 a.m.,
in response to message #2 by Gene

Hello!

Quote:
Are you going to post any and every ebay deal you think is good here?

It isn't a real good deal anyway. A few weeks before christmas, I bought an hp-46 with case (but w/o manual, but this is more than offest by the "German foreign ministry" inventory sticker on the back) from German eBay for 1/5 of what this guy is asking...

A good machine, but the display is too small and the printer is too loud (even if not printing, it makes as much noise as an idling jet engine) for everyday use.

Greetings, Max

Edited: 27 Feb 2007, 9:47 a.m.

      
This attitude of yours
Message #4 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 27 Feb 2007, 8:54 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by gileno

Hi, Gileno:

Gene posted:

    "Are you going to post any and every ebay deal you think is good here? "

      I fully concur with Gene, and I'll further add the following:

      Are you, Gileno, going to post anything other than your continual exclamation-mark-ridden one-liner pleads for help about most anything under the HP-calc sun, or other than each and every eBay link that takes your fancy ?

      Judging from your help pleas, you're up into a lot of topics such as LEX files for the HP-75C, MLDLs for the 41C, etc., etc., etc.

      Are you ever going to share something valuable with the MoHP Forum community ? Seems to me that as you seem to only eat, swallow, and breathe all things HP-calc related, it should be actually the case that something of that could hold some interest to the community, right ?

      Why don't you start to give a little, instead of continually and desperately asking for help (or even for gifts !), or spamming us with each and every eBay link you happen to find ?

      Do you think we're so dumb that we can't find them ourselves, if interested ? Are you going to eventually give something worthwhile to the community ? It's all very well for continually asking but what abour giving something, sometimes, in return ?

      All of the above, respectfully of course, but somewhat bored of your attitude. You don't seem to grow or learn, you're like a spoiled brat, always asking for this and that, always striving to get the attention of everyone around. You're not the age for that.

      It saddens me to say this, but if your attitude continues like that, your posts will only be fit for the trash bin.

Best regards from V.
            
Re: This attitude of yours
Message #5 Posted by Ren Tescher on 27 Feb 2007, 12:01 p.m.,
in response to message #4 by Valentin Albillo

Valentin, I've read and posted to MoHPC for years. But other than lame attempts at humor or a few gloats, I haven't contributed much either, I'm lousy at Math(s) so I'm awed by the expertise of the contributors of this forum and hope by "hanging around" some of the wisdom will "rub off on me". Do you want me to go away too?

Ren

dona nobis pacem

                  
Re: This attitude of yours
Message #6 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 27 Feb 2007, 1:57 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Ren Tescher

Hi, Ren:

Ren posted:

"Do you want me to go away too?"

    First of all, thanks for your comment. Now, I take that final "too" in your above quoted sentenced to mean that I said in my post that I want Gileno to go away.

    Would you please point or quote the specific sentence in my post where I say such a thing ? Because I've read it carefully, just in case, and I can't find anything like that.

    Thanks.

Best regard from V.

Edited to correct "Ron" for "Ren". My mistake

Edited: 27 Feb 2007, 3:24 p.m. after one or more responses were posted

                        
Re: That's Ren, not Ron
Message #7 Posted by Ron on 27 Feb 2007, 3:18 p.m.,
in response to message #6 by Valentin Albillo

I'm Ron, and I generally sit these personality things out. Ren made the posting above. Easy mistake. Thanks.

Edited: 27 Feb 2007, 3:19 p.m.

                              
Re: That's Ren, not Ron
Message #8 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 27 Feb 2007, 3:23 p.m.,
in response to message #7 by Ron

Thanks, Ron. Duly corrected above.

Best regards from V.

            
Re: This attitude of yours
Message #9 Posted by Thor Lansen on 27 Feb 2007, 2:16 p.m.,
in response to message #4 by Valentin Albillo

Whose attitude are you talking about, yours and Gene? The forum says: "This forum is for discussion of HP calculators including usage, repairs, sources of replacement parts, general information etc. furthermore there is a section for "Collectors" and how to collect. Like it or not eBay is the main source for vintage HP calculators and therefore Gileno's eBay postings are relevant and he has the same right as you and the rest of those that feel intellectually superiors and want to ban all eBay topics. I for one care less about your "challenges" and I see them as a worthless use of bandwidth, should I ask the moderator to ban them? no, I just do not read them. If you or those who feel eBay topics are not relevant then do not read them and stop whinnying about it.

Thor

Oh, yes, to the questions you sure have in mind: who is this guy, a troll? has he contributed to the forum? does he have the right to post here? to answer them, nope I am not a troll, as a matter of fact I am an Engineer (you can figure out my age, my favorite calculator is the HP 25C) and I can't stand those that feel they have the right to ban everything they do not like or like to put down others so they can show their superiority, nope, I have not contributed (or very little) and yes I have the same privilege to post as you and Gileno and anybody else has.

                  
Re: This attitude of yours
Message #10 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 27 Feb 2007, 3:16 p.m.,
in response to message #9 by Thor Lansen

Hi, Thor:

    Thanks for your comments. In no part of my post does it say that I intend or would like to ban anyone, less of all Gileno, nor do I feel superior to anyone or say so.

    What you may interpret while reading my post is up to you but please don't put in my mouth/pen words that I haven't said/written.

    And nobody has the right to post here, not Gileno, not you, not me, but only Mr. Hicks.

Best regards from V., a 48-year old fellow engineer. :-)

                        
Re: This attitude of yours
Message #11 Posted by Thor Lansen on 27 Feb 2007, 5:11 p.m.,
in response to message #10 by Valentin Albillo

Quote:
And nobody has the right to post here ....

Well, who is putting words on others mouth, I wrote "privilege" and not "right".

Thor

                              
Re: This attitude of yours
Message #12 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 27 Feb 2007, 5:47 p.m.,
in response to message #11 by Thor Lansen

Hi again, Thor:

Thor just posted:

    "Well, who is putting words on others mouth, I wrote "privilege" and not "right".["

      Well, in your first reply you literally wrote:

        "[...] contributed to the forum? does he have the right to post here? [...]"

Best regards from V.
                                    
Re: This attitude of yours
Message #13 Posted by Thor Lansen on 28 Feb 2007, 4:45 p.m.,
in response to message #12 by Valentin Albillo

Well Valentin since you insist I will elaborate: true, you did not say directly you wanted to ban Gileno but lets rewind a few months when you and others wanted to ban eBay postings. There was a vote and your side lost. No, that was not good enough for you. I remember you made a convoluted and nonsense argument about symmetry and blah blah blah and smoking mirrors (well, only tobacco smoking) and why your losing side still should win. So, yes you do want to ban eBay topics, Gileno's postings are 99.99% eBay stuff that he finds so, in essence, you want him out.

I do not know if you feel superior or not, but your posting came out that way.

Finally, if you look at the end of my first posting, I said: "I have not contributed (or very little) and yes I have the same privilege to post as you and Gileno and anybody else has." So, there it is.

Regards, Thor

PS: What I said about your "challenges" was to make a point and not true, I hope you continue posting them.

                                          
Re: This attitude of yours
Message #14 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 28 Feb 2007, 6:58 p.m.,
in response to message #13 by Thor Lansen

Hi again, Thor:

Thor posted:

    "There was a vote and your side lost. No, that was not good enough for you. I remember you made a convoluted and nonsense argument about symmetry and blah blah blah"

      I honestly don't actually think that it is a problem of "sides" and of winning or losing. I saw it more as a politeness thing, were we are all together in this forum politely sharing a hobby and something is done by some people that upsets others. It is thus not a problem of number, because in a polite environment if an 80% majority, say, are doing something that annoys a 20% minority, if there's something that can reasonably be done to avoid this it should be attempted, out of politeness if nothing else. In many countries there are laws to protect minorities, else they would always be subject to majorities no matter how just their claims could be.

      In this case of eBay postings, the problem was an excessive amount at the time, mostly of very temporary things or centered in very specific sellers that, as Karl Schneider has said in a number of occassions, are not of lasting value whatsoever, because of their intrinsic in-built obsolescence, yet they were cluttering the forum to the point where it was actually difficult to find other threads thinly interspersed inbetween, and worse, these obsolete and/or inconsequential eBay threads do actually end up in the Archives, from whence they get eventually burned in the DVDs which Mr. Hicks kindly provides, and then it is simply a tremendous waste of space and potential.

      If some solution could be found to avoid annoying the minority while preventing these threads to clutter the forum and end in the DVDs, it seemed reasonable to attempt to find it and see if it worked. That's my point of view, and I stand by it, even if it is never actually realized. I don't think it is a nonsensical point of view, it makes perfect sense to me from a polite and practical stand.

    "So, yes you do want to ban eBay topics, Gileno's postings are 99.99% eBay stuff that he finds so, in essence, you want him out."

      That doesn't follow, and I want noone out because, just to begin with, I'm not the one to decide who stays and who goes, that's Mr. Hicks prerrogative. I certainly found somewhat tiring Gileno's continual one-line desperate requests for help, without ever even introducing himself or his problem, or telling whether he had made any attempts at finding the information by himself, etc, just the one-line, exclamation-ridden plea.

      Can you actually imagine that you attend some HP-fan meeting (like the HPCC ones, for instance), and there's some fellow there which continually gets to you (and everyone else for that matter) yelling "HELP, PLEASE!!!", right out, without saying much more, then the next time he yells again at you "I NEED THIS MANUAL!!!", etc. etc ? I hope you get the point. How long do you think you would stand this situation without asking him to behave in a more polite manner, to address you properly, and to explain a little more about his problem and his attempts ? Either that, or else you'd rather avoid him.

      Same here. The mere fact that this is a written medium doesn't mean we should disregard all social politeness, rather we can and do engage in polite conversation, like you and me right now. If someone is desperately (so it seems) asking for help, the very least you would expect is for him to do so politely, not having him pester everyone continuously with his unpolite help requests.

      I think that if someone doesn't behave, it's actually proper to let him know, respectfully, that he should change his attitude and warn him of the consequences if he doesn't. If said person is mature enough, he will think about it and might eventually take the hint. Or else, he can go wild, enter childish mode, make a pitiable ruckus, feel deeply offended, and leave. I think this isn't what you would expect of an articulate, mature person.

    "I do not know if you feel superior or not, but your posting came out that way."

      I'm sorry if it seemed that way, but let me assure you that this is not the case. I do have a strong attitude towards life and must confess that I don't suffer fools gladly, but I've always been the kind of person who loves giving and sharing whatever I feel seems worthy of it and which can be useful to others. Else, do you think I would spend so much time doing challenges, articles, posts, when I'm busy 24 hours around the clock and have wife and daughter to educate ? But I am as I am, some people do like me, some people do hate me, but that's everyone's experience in this world.

    "Finally, if you look at the end of my first posting, I said: "I have not contributed (or very little) and yes I have the same privilege to post as you and Gileno and anybody else has." So, there it is."

      Yes, I noticed. My sentence was addressed to your other rethorical question, the one with the "right" in it.

    "PS: What I said about your "challenges" was to make a point and not true, I hope you continue posting them."

      Thank you very much. I'll do my best to try and keep them interesting and as little obnoxious as possible for those people that don't appreciate them. I sincerely do try to make them didactic in nature, and the many solutions for a great variety of HP models provided by forum contributors might actually be useful for other people trying to learn and understand programming techniques. A good, working example is usually much more useful and enlightening than several dense pages in a Reference Manual.

    Thanks again for your comments and

Best regards from V.
            
Re: This attitude of yours !!!: -)
Message #15 Posted by gileno on 27 Feb 2007, 4:12 p.m.,
in response to message #4 by Valentin Albillo

Valentim "God of the calculators and of the reason"

I thank the comments. :>( But I don't concern what you think. END. For you not to be interesting for other yes. And I don't need you to do observations. She don't like doesn't read.

"And nobody has the right to post here, not Gileno, not you, not me, but only Mr. Hicks." Valentin

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

!!!

Best regard from G A nobody with 82 1/2 years !!!

[trimmed by moderator to a merely excessive number of !s]

Edited: 28 Feb 2007, 1:09 a.m. after one or more responses were posted

                  
Oh please...
Message #16 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 27 Feb 2007, 4:37 p.m.,
in response to message #15 by gileno

G. could you please, just once in a Blue Moon, stop your nonsense?

M.

                        
Re: Oh please...
Message #17 Posted by gileno on 27 Feb 2007, 4:39 p.m.,
in response to message #16 by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy)

G or V ?

                              
Re: Oh please...
Message #18 Posted by HrastProgrammer on 28 Feb 2007, 12:45 a.m.,
in response to message #17 by gileno

G

            
"!!!" and topics of posts
Message #19 Posted by Karl Schneider on 28 Feb 2007, 12:10 a.m.,
in response to message #4 by Valentin Albillo

I generally concur with Valentin's sentiments. Subject lines that include multiple exclamation points (and even more added out of spite) are something I find particularly annoying. Exclamation points are absolutely unnecessary unless immediate attention by the reader is critical. Requests for assistance should also be stated specifically and politely, and then only after the requestor has made good-faith efforts to research.

Regarding posts that provide links to routine eBay auctions without making any specific point: One must remember that the links have only fleeting value. When the post and all the ensuing discussion goes to the MoHPC Forum Archives that are included in the CD/DVD sets, those threads are essentially useless.

In fact, the particular linked auction has already closed, and this entire thread now has no value other than "entertainment".

Let's try to keep the Forum a forum, not a bulletin board or "chat room".

-- KS

                  
Re: "!!!" and topics of posts
Message #20 Posted by Tony Duell on 28 Feb 2007, 6:29 a.m.,
in response to message #19 by Karl Schneider

Quote:

Exclamation points are absolutely unnecessary


Unless we're discussing the factorial function :-)

(Yes, I know it's taken out of context, but I couldn't resist)

                        
Multifactorial, was Re: "!!!" and topics of posts
Message #21 Posted by Egan Ford on 28 Feb 2007, 1:30 p.m.,
in response to message #20 by Tony Duell

Quote:
Unless we're discussing the factorial function :-)

(Yes, I know it's taken out of context, but I couldn't resist)


Excellent. I knew someone would find some math in this thread.

n!, n!!, n!!!, etc... is legit. But what n!!, n!!! is exactly, is not obvious. When I first encountered n!! years ago I incorrectly assumed (n!)! -- a very large number. But it is the opposite that is true.

For integers:

  n! = n(n-1)(n-2)...
 n!! = n(n-2)(n-4)...
n!!! = n(n-3)(n-6)...

Below is a plot that illustrate that the more ! you have the smaller your result is:

IOW, when it comes to !, less is more. You can draw your own parallels to ! abuse outside of mathematics.

Below is a Q&D 15C program for multifactorials. Put n, then the number of ! on the stack.

      1 LBL A
      2 1
      3 -
      4 TEST 1 x>0
      5 GTO 0
      6 X<>Y
      7 x!
      8 RTN
      9 LBL 0
     10 1
     11 +
     12 STO I
     13 X<>Y
     14 STO 0
     15 1
     16 STO 1
     17 LBL 1
     18 RCL 0
     19 TEST 4 x<=0
     20 GTO 2
     21 STO* 1
     22 RCL I
     23 STO- 0
     24 GTO 1
     25 LBL 2
     26 RCL 1
     27 RTN

As I read the first post in this thread n!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is the proposed problem.

Using the above on my 15C for various values I get:

mf(10,30) = 10
mf(20,30) = 20
mf(30,30) = 30
mf(40,30) = 400
mf(50,30) = 1000
mf(55,30) = 1375
mf(77,30) = 61523

                              
Re: Multifactorial, was Re: "!!!" and topics of posts
Message #22 Posted by Ren on 28 Feb 2007, 2:07 p.m.,
in response to message #21 by Egan Ford

Wow!!!!

(number of exclamation points above is facetious)

I NEVER knew n!! and n!!! even existed! (see my earlier post in regard to my Math(s) ignorance).

Thank you for turning this thread into a Math(s) lesson for me! The plot of the outputs was especially nice for visualizing the concepts.

Ren dona nobis pacem

                                    
Re: Multifactorial, was Re: "!!!" and topics of posts
Message #23 Posted by Egan Ford on 28 Feb 2007, 2:11 p.m.,
in response to message #22 by Ren

Quote:
I NEVER knew n!! and n!!! even existed! (see my earlier post in regard to my Math(s) ignorance).

More info:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Multifactorial.html

                              
Re: Multifactorial, was Re: "!!!" and topics of posts
Message #24 Posted by Giancarlo (Italy) on 28 Feb 2007, 4:03 p.m.,
in response to message #21 by Egan Ford

Hi Egan.
I'm really grateful to you 'cause you succeded to turn an increasingly unpleasant
thread suddenly into an interesting one, by means of a "math lightning" :)
Thanks again.
Warmest regards.
Giancarlo

                  
Re: "!!!" and the Internet
Message #25 Posted by Paul Brogger on 28 Feb 2007, 3:38 p.m.,
in response to message #19 by Karl Schneider

I've long wished for a Google function that would post an exclamation point quotient (EPQ -- ratio of the number of exclamation points on the page divided by the total characters on the page) for each web site in the results list. The same would be nice in an email package.

Generally speaking, the value of any page (or email) is inversely related to (and bound by) its EPQ.

Edited: 28 Feb 2007, 3:55 p.m.

      
Re: HP 46 Calculator w/case and manual !!!!!
Message #26 Posted by BOYS Boys Boys! on 27 Feb 2007, 6:56 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by gileno

Please! Be nice to each other! You really don't hate each other! You've got a lot (of calculators) in common!

Now eat your supper and go to bed.

-bill

Edited: 27 Feb 2007, 8:41 p.m.

            
Re: HP 46 Calculator w/case and manual !!!!!
Message #27 Posted by Trent Moseley on 27 Feb 2007, 11:24 p.m.,
in response to message #26 by BOYS Boys Boys!

I agree. I thought this Forum was about Hewlett-Packard calculators and not about ad hominem attacks.

tm

      
This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #28 Posted by Dave Hicks on 28 Feb 2007, 1:18 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by gileno

Discussions about auction practices and issues are fine for this forum but posts which contain nothing more than a link to an item for sale really belong in the classifieds.

            
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #29 Posted by gileno on 28 Feb 2007, 6:59 a.m.,
in response to message #28 by Dave Hicks

I apologize. I won't write anything else :-(
Good-bye community HP 

From G !

                  
Please, cool down!
Message #30 Posted by Juergen (CH) on 28 Feb 2007, 12:30 p.m.,
in response to message #29 by gileno

This sounds so familiar to me: if I critize my kids the often are offended and won't speak to me for an hour or so. Eventually, they reason that they over-reacted ...

I met many nice people in this forum and in the HP community in general. So it makes me a bit sad to see such a discussion and over-reaction here. Common, we are all grown-ups and and can stand fair comments!

Or, as the hippies would say: Make love not war ;-)

Best Regards, Juergen

                  
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #31 Posted by Thor Lansen on 28 Feb 2007, 5:01 p.m.,
in response to message #29 by gileno

Hey Gileno, come back!!! just take it easy with the factorial stuff :)

Take care, Thor.

                        
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #32 Posted by gileno on 28 Feb 2007, 5:08 p.m.,
in response to message #31 by Thor Lansen

Thank you for the support. I thank a lot.

                              
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #33 Posted by Les Wright on 28 Feb 2007, 8:57 p.m.,
in response to message #32 by gileno

Gileno, I must confess that I usually just bypass your eBay link posts. The one reason is personal--I am trying to cut back on my eBay addiction so I don't want to give in to the temptation....

But the second reason is that, frankly, you usually don't provide any information as to why the link should be of interest. Something like "boy! an HP97 for four bucks and only 10 minutes in the auction! Too bad I already have three NIB...." gives us a sense of specific interest of the sale instead of leaping exclamation points.

You have been asked to share out of your wide range of expertise and interest. I do so and a lot of the time no one seems to care or I simply regurgitate a long-settled question. But I feel like I am contributing something to the dialogue.

Les

            
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #34 Posted by Bernard on 28 Feb 2007, 9:00 a.m.,
in response to message #28 by Dave Hicks

One reason I rarely post into this forum. I did post a technical help previously but its discouraging finding so much swill with the good stuff.

I hoped that the Ebay drivel be moved into a sub-forum but I understand a vote was taken and most are happy with keeping the Ebay posts in the main forum.

But then I guess its in the eye of the beholder. Some I'm sure are most fascinated with the lastest Ebay machinations and sales.

                  
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #35 Posted by Steve Borowsky on 1 Mar 2007, 3:20 a.m.,
in response to message #34 by Bernard

If I may say a few words.It seems to me that what we're dealing with here is primarily a language barrier. We all communicate here in English (for the most part), but for some English is not the primary language, and the degree of mastery varies greatly. In addition, the forum fills different roles for different individuals; the degree of emotional investment in the forum varies.

I think the root cause of Gileno's abbreviated posts is his inability to express his full emotions via the English language. Instead of eloquent prose, we get exclamation points! But we should never take language at it's face value. Language exists only to express what's behind it. If we would attempt to percieve that directly, we could bypass much of the limitations of language, and realize that as beings in this world we have far, far, far, more in common with eachother than we have differences.

It's never the words that really matter, it's what's behind them. Yet, in argument after argument, it's always the words that are picked apart and analyzed, in attempts to use them as weapons against their author, when if the energy were used to try to understand what's behind the symbols, even the simplest ones, misunderstandings would evaporate.

                        
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #36 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 1 Mar 2007, 5:25 a.m.,
in response to message #35 by Steve Borowsky

Hi, Steve:

Steve posted:

    "It seems to me that what we're dealing with here is primarily a language barrier [...] I think the root cause of Gileno's abbreviated posts is his inability to express his full emotions via the English language. Instead of eloquent prose, we get exclamation points"

      While I fully agree with you in general, this person's case is not only a language barrier problem. Within his language limitations, he can be pretty 'eloquent' (or at least he tries) when he feels like it, for example in his reply to my post, where he uses no less than 11 lines of 'eloquent' prose to try and retaliate against me, which are more or less equivalent to 10 of his usual postings.

      This pretty much shows that, when he feels like it, he can write a lot more to try and make himself more or less understood. But he only does so in spite, when motivated. For his usual pleas for help and such, he apparently doesn't feel any need to state his problem in a polite way, or try and explain the steps he took before asking for help, or try to stablish some kind of nice approach.

      He just utters his request, in capital letters (akin to shouting), and duly laced with exclamation marks to try and give an urgency to his plea, as it if should be considered the most urgent matter in the forum, for all to see and take immediate notice and quickly do something about it. Yet, no 11 lines of 'eloquent' text to be seen there, to at least attempt to justify this implied urgency or make a convincing case of why one should be specially interested in it. He's been doing this for many months now, never evolving to more socially acceptable standards and better netiquette conformity, and I felt it was about time someone would give him some advice on this, even for his own good. But you can see above how he took the advice.

      Thus, language is not the only problem here. It's attitude. I merely pointed that out to him, and instead of considering the matter and ponder the merit in my advice, he entered spoiled-brat mode, edited his original message to include 200+ exclamation marks in an extremely childish attempt to annoy me, did the same in other posts (which the moderator duly edited to sane lengths), took the trouble to write an 11-line retaliatory message to let me know that he didn't care at all for my advice, did include assorted would-be near-insults or despective statements, then got a reply by Mr. Hicks expressing an opinion on his original message, so he went into deeply-offended mode and announced his intention to not write anything else here, with a sad goodbye to top it all. To just return a post or so later.

      This is all so childish, so blatantly childish and immature behavior that I would never expect such from a supposedly grown-up, adult person, least of all an HP calc fan. It absolutely beats me how a normal, adult person (not a retarded or a moron) can behave like that when dealing with another adult person. Go figure.

      As far as I'm concerned, this issue is over for me. This person has been duly included in my filtering script and he can do or act as brilliantly or childish as he cares from now on, I won't see it.

      Thanks for your comments and

Best regards from V.
                              
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #37 Posted by Geir Isene on 1 Mar 2007, 11:55 a.m.,
in response to message #36 by Valentin Albillo

Quote:
This is all so childish, so blatantly childish and immature behavior that I would never expect such from a supposedly grown-up, adult person, least of all an HP calc fan. It absolutely beats me how a normal, adult person (not a retarded or a moron) can behave like that when dealing with another adult person. Go figure.

Not that I have a habit of commenting on people's behaviour in this forum, but the above was a bit to much.

It would seem sensible not to attack others personally and to treat others with the respect that you demand from them in their dealings with you.

                              
Re: This looks like a classifieds post to me
Message #38 Posted by e.young on 1 Mar 2007, 12:30 p.m.,
in response to message #36 by Valentin Albillo

Valentin,

The tone of your posts to this thread has been mean spirited and inappropriate, and I think you have seriouslu over reacted. If Gileno's posts bother you so much, then don't read them. Before you accuse Gileno of brat like behavior you would do well to review your own behavior.

                        
Steve Borowsky - I Thank the sensibility and attention
Message #39 Posted by gileno on 1 Mar 2007, 9:47 a.m.,
in response to message #35 by Steve Borowsky

At last, you discovered because I don't get myself to express well. Thank you

Best regards from G. :-)

Edited: 1 Mar 2007, 9:51 a.m.

                              
Re: Steve Borowsky - I Thank the sensibility and attention
Message #40 Posted by Geir Isene on 1 Mar 2007, 12:05 p.m.,
in response to message #39 by gileno

Gileno; You have been blasted the last few days. To my opinion, you have been beaten way to much. But, there is truth in what has been said. Please exclude the emotions in peoples postings and try to see what is real and useful in what they write.

In short:

  • Giving is more important than taking.
  • Exclamation marks or CAPITAL letters should be avoided!
  • You will be forgiven for not writing fluently English.
  • You will not be forgiven for not trying.
  • Try to keep eBay postings to a minimum. They have near to zero archive value.
  • Don't leave. Instead, take the past days as a learning exercise.

Just my 2 Ýre.

                                    
Geir Isene
Message #41 Posted by gileno on 1 Mar 2007, 12:18 p.m.,
in response to message #40 by Geir Isene

Thanks for your comments and

Best regards from G.

                                          
Re: Geir Isene
Message #42 Posted by Bernard on 1 Mar 2007, 5:47 p.m.,
in response to message #41 by gileno

Didn't you previously state that you weren't going to post any more?

                                                
Re: Geir Isene
Message #43 Posted by gileno on 1 Mar 2007, 6:02 p.m.,
in response to message #42 by Bernard

My friends asked me that I didn't make that.
Some problem or you don't also want me in the forum? 
                                                      
Eating Crow
Message #44 Posted by bill platt on 1 Mar 2007, 7:31 p.m.,
in response to message #43 by gileno

Don't worry Gileno,

We are simply having a bit of fun at your expense.

P.S. this is a good example of an English-language idiom. I wonder if it translates?

                                                      
Re: Geir Isene
Message #45 Posted by Bernard on 2 Mar 2007, 12:27 p.m.,
in response to message #43 by gileno

Not to worry. I was having fun. That will teach you to say things in the heat of the moment.

You shouldn't even ask me about staying since that's not up to me and even if it were I'd still let you stay although I find e-bay postings boring.


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