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Reading suggestions from the HPmuseum document set
01-03-2018, 10:09 AM
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Reading suggestions from the HPmuseum document set
So, after a bit of trouble I got the hpmuseum usb set (version 2017? how do I know the version that I have?).

The point is, I did only briefly checked it.

I know that the old forum archives are in PDF (so one sees what was really on the page) but I often find content faster with google until the archives are online.

I see a lot of manual that for the moment are not so appealing to me aside as "backup for history". This because I do not know whether the contents can be interesting or not. A manual is normally interesting when one has the device that the manual describe but there are exceptions.

Therefore, from the hpmuseum document set, what would you recommend to read and why? Independently if one has the device mentioned by the document.
Of course assumed that one is interested in RPN, RPL, programming and math.

For example I guess the 15C advanced functions handbook can be interesting, although I did not read it yet.

PS: if such a topic was discussed already, please link it to me because I did not find any good result.

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01-03-2018, 10:26 AM (This post was last modified: 01-03-2018 10:58 AM by salvomic.)
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(01-03-2018 10:09 AM)pier4r Wrote:  So, after a bit of trouble I got the hpmuseum usb set (version 2017? how do I know the version that I have?).
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a mine of information!

Quote:For example I guess the 15C advanced functions handbook can be interesting, although I did not read it yet.
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After that, HP released the Advantage pac (advanced functions module) for HP41CX, if I'm not in error...
A book to read, Pier, I think to read it soon. For now I read again the 15C manual as well I'm reading that of 41CX. We can understand many things reading those old manuals, with a lot of solutions, tricks and tips. They could seem too "simple" (or also actually tricky) nowadays, considering calculators (like the Prime or DM42) with a lot of advanced functions, graphics, connectivity and so on, very impressive, but this power becomes from those tricks and tips and solutions.

I would like to thank MoHPC for the usb set! Very amazing.

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01-03-2018, 11:34 AM
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(01-03-2018 10:26 AM)salvomic Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 10:09 AM)pier4r Wrote:  So, after a bit of trouble I got the hpmuseum usb set (version 2017? how do I know the version that I have?).
...
a mine of information!

Quote:For example I guess the 15C advanced functions handbook can be interesting, although I did not read it yet.
...

After that, HP released the Advantage pac (advanced functions module) for HP41CX, if I'm not in error...
A book to read, Pier, I think to read it soon. For now I read again the 15C manual as well I'm reading that of 41CX. We can understand many things reading those old manuals, with a lot of solutions, tricks and tips. They could seem too "simple" (or also actually tricky) nowadays, considering calculators (like the Prime or DM42) with a lot of advanced functions, graphics, connectivity and so on, very impressive, but this power becomes from those tricks and tips and solutions.

I would like to thank MoHPC for the usb set! Very amazing.

Salvo

At least once we had manuals, nowadays what? A catalog of functions?

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01-03-2018, 11:42 AM
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(01-03-2018 11:34 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  At least once we had manuals, nowadays what? A catalog of functions?

Definitely!

A manual is always a book, and we read it also without a calculator, only to understand how it works...
However the new Catalog in the Prime is very impressive in the last beta, you choose a function, press Help and you've got a "little peace of manual", good almost to remember how it does...

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01-03-2018, 01:07 PM
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(01-03-2018 10:26 AM)salvomic Wrote:  After that, HP released the Advantage pac (advanced functions module) for HP41CX, if I'm not in error...
A book to read, Pier, I think to read it soon. For now I read again the 15C manual as well I'm reading that of 41CX. We can understand many things reading those old manuals, with a lot of solutions, tricks and tips. They could seem too "simple" (or also actually tricky) nowadays, considering calculators (like the Prime or DM42) with a lot of advanced functions, graphics, connectivity and so on, very impressive, but this power becomes from those tricks and tips and solutions.

I would like to thank MoHPC for the usb set! Very amazing.

Salvo

What I mean with interesting manuals are those manuals that have also digressions on a topic. Or manuals that explain the topic not only in terms of keypresses (or code). Those are not so common.

For example the best explanation read by me about object oriented programming was in the manual of turbo pascal 5.5 (free available on internet).

I am not that interested in those manuals that "ok now let's explain how to use trigonometry functions. Let's go through 43 examples." I find it useful if you have the device (or for history).

As example: as far as I read the manual of the hp 42 (when I compared the free42 with the 506w in terms of usability), aside from using it with the free42, it has nothing special inside, like, dunno "the algorithm behind this function is: ... ", or "particular applications of this function". It is what it is, a manual.

Said that, I hope the 15C advanced functions handbook would contain some digressions a la hp journal, like "how a function works" or "why this algorithm and not another". Actually I need just to read it.

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01-03-2018, 01:36 PM
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(01-03-2018 01:07 PM)pier4r Wrote:  Said that, I hope the 15C advanced functions handbook would contain some digressions a la hp journal, like "how a function works" or "why this algorithm and not another". Actually I need just to read it.

HP Owners Handbook of the 15C explains also "how a function works and why this algorithm is better than another..."

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01-03-2018, 03:22 PM
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@pier4r - Read Bill Wickes's book "HP-48 Insights Part I (GX Version)", included in the MoHPC Doc set. Although you may already "know" RPL, I guarantee this book will provide very useful insights and you will never see RPL the same way again. I think this is by far the best book to understand both how RPL works and also how to use it, better than any other book or manual. It does not include advanced topics like SysRPL or Machine Language, but it does include some of the (48 series) tools, such as solvers, etc.

The book does not include 49/49+/50 specific features, but is still very good for anyone wanting to learn RPL or learn to use it better.

There is a zip file on hpcalc.org that includes all the program examples in the book.

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01-03-2018, 04:35 PM
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Any of the software manuals (for the models that have the code printed in the book, and not on mag cards, ROM modules, etc.) if you want some nice algorithms and programs to adapt to your model of choice.

Ditto for the users' library programs, if you don't mind deciphering the occasionally tricky scanned handwriting and photocopied printouts.

17BII manual, appendix B, if you're implementing financial functions on a scientific and want to crib the formulas and algorithms.

"HP 42S Triangle Solutions" if you want a really nice and intuitive triangle solver for 42S.

The EduCalc catalogs and HP brochures are usually an enjoyable read.
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01-03-2018, 05:49 PM
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I like to read books like Ray Depew one (hp48 graphics) or Jim donnelly one like (hp48 Toolkit or the hp48 handbook or again hp48 database).

In my opinion these books really unleashed the power of RPL along with hp48 insight book that Bob mentioned.

I think these books are still not in the museum set...

However there are very usefull books in the set. apart from the user guides i usually like to study the USER SOLUTION BOOKS like the hp41 ones. The algorithms are Always very effective.

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