How to include tables in a post ?

06022016, 07:35 PM
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How to include tables in a post ?
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Hi, everyone: I've been doing a number of attempts here in order to get a formatted table of numbers included in a post, where formatted simply means that the numbers appear neatly aligned in columns, like this: So far I've only succeded if I include the numbers in a CODE section, as the spacing between numbers is kept, but I don't want to use CODE as I don't like it. I've also attempted to use PSP and LaTeX but surely I'm doing something wrong because I get no decently aligned columns. Trying to use some TAB tags or similar doesn't work either, so if some kind soul would post here a table example which I could examine to use as a reference I'd be obligued. Come to that, I'd also welcome tips & tricks on how to upload or include PDF documents and/or images in a post, or if there's some section in the HP Museum for that kind of contents. Regards. V. . 

06022016, 09:57 PM
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RE: How to include tables in a post ?
Hello Valentin,
There was a thread about this some time ago. I wonder why it is not in this subforum. Anyway, here it is: http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/post1935.html Best regards, Gerson. 

06022016, 10:22 PM
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Hi, Gerson: (06022016 09:57 PM)Gerson W. Barbosa Wrote: There was a thread about this some time ago. I wonder why it is not in this subforum. Let's see ... \begin{array}{cc} \hline n (base) & 2*n+9 (29) & 6*n+9 (69) & sqr(2*n+9) & sqr(6*n+9) \\\hline 0 (*) & 9 & 9 & 3 & 3 \\\hline 36 & 81 & 225 & 9 & 15 \\\hline 540 & 1089 & 3249 & 33 & 57 \\\hline 7560 & 15129 & 45369 & 123 & 213 \\\hline 105336 & 210681 & 632025 & 459 & 795 \\\hline 1467180 & 2934369 & 8803089 & 1713 & 2967 \\\hline 20435220 & 40870449 & 122611329 & 6393 & 11073 \\\hline 284625936 & 569251881 & 1707755625 & 23859 & 41325 \\\hline \end{array} Great, it works ! Thanks so much, Gerson ! 8D Best regards. V. . 

06032016, 12:45 AM
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RE: How to include tables in a post ?
(06022016 07:35 PM)Valentin Albillo Wrote: Trying to use some TAB tags or similar doesn't work either, so if some kind soul would post here a table example which I could examine to use as a reference I'd be obligued. While far from as elegant as Gerson's tip and your pretty darned good first go at Latex, you could just space out the characters and format your table in a fixedpitch font like Courier. The default font is fairly readable, but the variablepitch nature of this (and most currently popular fonts) makes aligned output basically impossible. As noted, it's not nearly as pretty, but it is far simpler and quicker. Bob Prosperi 

06032016, 02:17 AM
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06032016, 02:42 AM
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(06032016 12:45 AM)rprosperi Wrote: While far from as elegant as Gerson's tip and your pretty darned good first go at Latex, you could just space out the characters and format your table in a fixedpitch font like Courier. The default font is fairly readable, but the variablepitch nature of this (and most currently popular fonts) makes aligned output basically impossible. Unfortunately, using a fixedpitch font (e.g. Courier) is not enough, because most (if not all) browsers remove extra spaces, as you can see here: ++++++  n(base)  2n+9(29)  6n+9(69)  sqr(2n+9)  sqr(6n+9)  ++++++  0(*)  9  9  3  3   36  81  225  9  15   540  1089  3249  33  57   7560  15129  45369  123  213   105336  210681  632025  459  795   1467180  2934369  8803089  1713  2967   20435220  40870449  122611329  6393  11073   284625936  569251881  1707755625  23859  41325  ++++++ Here's exactly the same data but inside a "Code" box, which forces browsers to show all spaces: Code: ++++++ So, theoretically, the following is impossible to do. Discerning how it was done is left as an exercise for the student. ++++++  n(base)  2n+9(29)  6n+9(69)  sqr(2n+9)  sqr(6n+9)  ++++++  0(*)  9  9  3  3   36  81  225  9  15   540  1089  3249  33  57   7560  15129  45369  123  213   105336  210681  632025  459  795   1467180  2934369  8803089  1713  2967   20435220  40870449  122611329  6393  11073   284625936  569251881  1707755625  23859  41325  ++++++ X<> c Joe 

06032016, 03:14 AM
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Looking at the page source code I see that the MathJax module is being used for LaTeX support
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06032016, 01:12 PM
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RE: How to include tables in a post ?
(06032016 02:42 AM)Joe Horn Wrote: So, theoretically, the following is impossible to do. Discerning how it was done is left as an exercise for the student. I did not know browsers removed spaces, how arrogant! So, maybe use a nonprinting (i.e. invisible), nonspace character? Bob Prosperi 

06032016, 06:11 PM
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(06032016 01:12 PM)rprosperi Wrote:(06032016 02:42 AM)Joe Horn Wrote: So, theoretically, the following is impossible to do. Discerning how it was done is left as an exercise for the student. It's a printing space character. ;) But a special one: the nonbreaking space (Alt+0160). You may know it from other software, e.g. in Word it's Ctrl+Shift+Space. That's a very useful character as it will prevent a line break, so you can keep values and units together ("1 m" or "6 km/h") without the risk of line breaks. For our purposes here it's a kind of "hard blank" which  unlinke a regular space  is not removed by your browser: So you can do things like ...this. I use nonbreaking spaces quite a lot. BTW, is there a faster way than the Alt+0160 method ? Dieter 

06032016, 06:14 PM
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(06032016 01:12 PM)rprosperi Wrote: So, maybe use a nonprinting (i.e. invisible), nonspace character? Yes, the invisible character under the first Specials, in Katie's Unicode Test does the trick: π = 3.141592653589793238462643383279503 9 2 3.141574838064079287182344939989334 99 2 3.141592651424974945646180479799372 999 2 3.141592653589572786959492672266442 9999 2 3.141592653589793216377737847078192 99999 2 3.141592653589793238460434495123538 999999 2 3.141592653589793238462643162386710 9999999 2 3.141592653589793238462643383257414 99999999 2 3.141592653589793238462643383279500 

06032016, 08:36 PM
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RE: How to include tables in a post ?
(06032016 06:11 PM)Dieter Wrote: It's a printing space character. ;) But a special one: the nonbreaking space (Alt+0160). You may know it from other software, e.g. in Word it's Ctrl+Shift+Space. That's a very useful character as it will prevent a line break, so you can keep values and units together ("1 m" or "6 km/h") without the risk of line breaks. For our purposes here it's a kind of "hard blank" which  unlinke a regular space  is not removed by your browser:This is what I meant, but I did not know there is a special nonbreaking space character. Very useful for things like this, thank you sir!. (06032016 06:14 PM)Gerson W. Barbosa Wrote: Yes, the invisible character under the first Specials, in Katie's Unicode Test does the trick: That character listing seems to cause havoc under IE11. Here is how the bottom of the list appears: Bob Prosperi 

06032016, 09:06 PM
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Using nonstandard blank space character
(06032016 06:11 PM)Dieter Wrote:For years, this character was a great help in filling out the 'Name' and 'Company' dialog boxes when installing Microsoft Office.(06032016 01:12 PM)rprosperi Wrote: I did not know browsers removed spaces, how arrogant! If I needed to set up MS Office for a business's PC where the name of an individual was not wanted, it would not accept an empty box or the ordinary space character, but Alt+0160 worked fine. Think of the situation where the employee moves on and the company hires a replacement  forever after it would say 'This product is licensed to" and show the name of the person who no longer works here. For a home user who wanted their own name but no company name it worked just as well. 

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