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Is 50g good or crap?
05-03-2014, 06:37 AM
Post: #41
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
(05-02-2014 02:05 PM)jebem Wrote:  
(05-01-2014 10:41 PM)Egan Ford Wrote:  50g's are $75 at Amazon. Instead of taking your wife out to dinner this weekend, get a 50g and make pasta.

I tried that approach with my other half, but no luck Sad They don't understand us.
The key is to understand them. The correct selection of red wine, some candles, and music from an italian opera is crucial.
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05-03-2014, 08:55 AM
Post: #42
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
(05-03-2014 06:37 AM)Thomas Radtke Wrote:  
(05-02-2014 02:05 PM)jebem Wrote:  I tried that approach with my other half, but no luck :( They don't understand us.
The key is to understand them. The correct selection of red wine, some candles, and music from an italian opera is crucial.

Well, in my case, candles would produce the opposite effect... and thrown at me. :)

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05-03-2014, 09:58 AM (This post was last modified: 05-03-2014 10:00 AM by jebem.)
Post: #43
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
(05-03-2014 08:55 AM)Massimo Gnerucci Wrote:  
(05-03-2014 06:37 AM)Thomas Radtke Wrote:  The key is to understand them. The correct selection of red wine, some candles, and music from an italian opera is crucial.

Well, in my case, candles would produce the opposite effect... and thrown at me. Smile

Thank You all, You are stressing me a little bit more... Sad
Now that I'm traveling this weekend to Brussels to yet another week running one more VMware vSphere Fast Track course training, I guess that I have no other choice than take the opportunity and acquire some expensive diamond earrings gift, instead of the initial petrol perfumed candles that I saw in a so nice local Chinese shop near my local home in Lisbon Smile

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05-03-2014, 11:10 AM
Post: #44
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
(05-03-2014 09:58 AM)jebem Wrote:  [...] I guess that I have no other choice than take the opportunity and acquire some expensive diamond earrings gift [...]
Now we're talking!

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05-04-2014, 02:09 AM
Post: #45
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Based on discussions here and replies to some of my questions, it is highly possible I might spring for a Prime soon instead of a 50g. But I write this knowing that I already purchased a WP-34S (not yet arrived).

Surely it is not possible that I will end up also buying a 50g? Nah, that would be too ridiculous and my wife will very likely XEQ me for it!

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05-04-2014, 05:58 PM
Post: #46
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
(05-04-2014 02:09 AM)lemontea Wrote:  Based on discussions here and replies to some of my questions, it is highly possible I might spring for a Prime soon instead of a 50g. But I write this knowing that I already purchased a WP-34S (not yet arrived).

Surely it is not possible that I will end up also buying a 50g? Nah, that would be too ridiculous and my wife will very likely XEQ me for it!

:-D

My super RPN WP-34S keeps me busy right now.
I'm discovering how great is this project from Walter, Pauli and Marcus, among other contributors.
I tried the emulator before getting the calculator, but I prefer to have the "real thing" to play with.

That said, I believe that there is space for the HP-50G and for the HP-Prime as well. Besides a common set of features, then each one covers different areas as well, so I think I'm not alone when I say: I have all of them and I do not regret it.

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05-05-2014, 12:02 AM
Post: #47
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
One very strong (possibly temporary) argument for the 50g (instead of the Prime) is the vast extant literature on it, with lots of programs, training, insight, etc. But as we go along, I am sure there will be more of such for the Prime as well.
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05-05-2014, 06:10 AM
Post: #48
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
The 50g is the continuation of the 48 series which has been around since 1990. It is unlikely the Prime will ever catch up with the amount of programs and technical doc.

On the other hand, we are very fortunate to have HP guys and other people who have been close to HP supporting both devices here on the forum. It is extremely unlikely that you will come up with a question on either the 50g or the Prime that can't be answered. And on the Prime you even have a good chance of getting your ideas into the next software version.

Jebem said it well, the two calculators are really different and for different types of users. There is nothing but money stopping anybody from getting them both and applying them as intended. "Pick the right tool for the job."

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05-08-2014, 03:52 PM (This post was last modified: 05-08-2014 05:35 PM by Manolo Sobrino.)
Post: #49
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
I just found this... (Han, are these pics yours?) They are not altered, mine is the same. Judge for yourself:

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(Real men don't use spring contacts... and solder every wire to electrolytic capacitor terminals when they can. The piezoelectric beeper is fixed with tape, if something rattles inside your 50G now you know what it is.)

My favourite:

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(Be extra-careful when soldering BT5+, hot tip+ ribbon... I wasn't Sad)

Key domes are taped to the board:

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(I've seen this technique in €10 clock radio knobs... actually for these it is nicer because when the scotch adhesive doesn't adhere any more you can replace it without drilling the case. BTW, the metal domes are like this.)

The full set

If anybody can identify the JTAG connectors, please let me know. I have an idea about it, but I'm not sure.
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05-08-2014, 08:39 PM
Post: #50
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
(05-05-2014 12:02 AM)lemontea Wrote:  One very strong (possibly temporary) argument for the 50g (instead of the Prime) is the vast extant literature on it, with lots of programs, training, insight, etc. But as we go along, I am sure there will be more of such for the Prime as well.

IMHO, the Prime will never catch up to the "vast extant literature on it, with lots of programs, training, insight, etc.". AFAIK, the 50g never caught up with the 48 or 41 series.
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05-09-2014, 04:59 PM
Post: #51
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
(05-08-2014 08:39 PM)Egan Ford Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 12:02 AM)lemontea Wrote:  One very strong (possibly temporary) argument for the 50g (instead of the Prime) is the vast extant literature on it, with lots of programs, training, insight, etc. But as we go along, I am sure there will be more of such for the Prime as well.

IMHO, the Prime will never catch up to the "vast extant literature on it, with lots of programs, training, insight, etc.". AFAIK, the 50g never caught up with the 48 or 41 series.
I think that they're lumping, more or less 28S -> 50G all as one big "48" grouping as really you can use alot of the dox for the entire line w/the 50G although starting with the 49G alot of stuff was added standard that wasn't in the prior firmwares except some as addons, etc at least for the Xs. (Can't remember if they were sold as cards and/or separate software).

Anyways, by the time I got my 48SX, mid-90s IIRC the publications had already seemingly drastically tailed off, and I never saw much for the >=49G until they were already in the mortgage your house to buy copies price range.

TBH I don't think that the 3rd party publications were ever that big or at least in my HP experience, say 90s onwards, that or I never looked in the right places or missed any relevant comp.sys.hp48 postings... and today AFAICT it's even LESS active as in this forum + maybe still comp.sys.hp48 + also maybe the hp forums will end up being the primary Prime references.
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05-09-2014, 05:23 PM
Post: #52
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(05-09-2014 04:59 PM)cutterjohn Wrote:  TBH I don't think that the 3rd party publications were ever that big or at least in my HP experience, say 90s onwards, that or I never looked in the right places or missed any relevant comp.sys.hp48 postings... and today AFAICT it's even LESS active as in this forum + maybe still comp.sys.hp48 + also maybe the hp forums will end up being the primary Prime references.

Search for hp48 in books @ amazon.com. There are a surprising number of books. Granted its not 100s of different books, but relative to what I expect to see from the Prime, the % of Prime books will probably round to zero.

How the "Internet" publishing platform compares to print media with respect to the Prime, I agree it will become the primary Prime reference. However I speculate the quality of that reference will not match that of the concentrated effort that went in to past 48 books.

None of this is a dig against the Prime, it is just the state of HP calculators today.
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05-09-2014, 05:24 PM
Post: #53
RE: Is 50g good or crap?
(01-17-1970 04:47 AM)cutterjohn Wrote:  TBH I don't think that the 3rd party publications were ever that big ... and today AFAICT it's even LESS active as in this forum + maybe still comp.sys.hp48 + also maybe the hp forums will end up being the primary Prime references.

Regarding the latter, I don't hope that will come - and we'll work against that.

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05-10-2014, 02:05 AM
Post: #54
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I have to say, looking at those innards pics really turned me off on the 50g.

(OTOH the WP looks much better! Good call on the 30b platform.)
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