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RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - pier4r - 12-05-2017 10:11 PM
(12-05-2017 09:52 PM)lemontea Wrote: Your survey is getting to become very interesting and also very valuable data.
This may be too much to ask but could we have also a ranking of Actual Use instead of ownership? At least, top 3? I wonder if 50g, Prime, and 15C might be top contenders there. And 12C for people in the financial industry.
For me would be too much to track but I would be interested in a similar survey too.
And a survey like this is very interesting when done every now and then and then comparing data.
Similar to this "google trend": http://www.hpmuseum.org/forum/thread-7457-post-85155.html#pid85155
like capturing how much people talk about something. Talking is not using, but still it is something.
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - lemontea - 12-06-2017 12:20 AM
Maybe keep it simple and just track top 3 devices?
Everyone can simply post again and say what is their main device for actual regular usage (not merely ownership).
Mine is the 42S now (previously the 15C until I got my physical 42S recently).
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - AlexFekken - 12-06-2017 01:18 AM
You can add a HP 50g for me now.
Also, although it looks like my 2 HP Primes have been counted correctly, there is no '2x' against my name, so you might find that things don't add up...
EDIT: Main devices: the HP Primes, follow by the DM 15L
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Sylvain Cote - 12-06-2017 03:00 AM
Following on a special request to better represent the hand held computer group.
I have in my collection ...
- 6 x HP-71B -> working units with manuals, overlays, cases, FRAM71/FRAM71B, etc
- 6 x HP-75C -> working units with manuals, overlays, cases, etc
- 4 x HP-75D -> working units with manuals, overlays, pods, wands, etc
Sylvain
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - rprosperi - 12-06-2017 03:06 AM
(12-05-2017 08:37 PM)pier4r Wrote: Updated!
Snapshot...
I'll post here the machines I have among the most popular categories listed in this snapshot. All these are working, and except as noted, used regularly:
13 x 48gII/49g/49g+/50g (48gII and 49g not used very often)
9 x 41 C/CX/CV
12 x 48G/GX/S/SX/G+ (S, G, and G+ used only rarely)
?? x 50g - why is this machine listed again here (see top category)?
18? x 12C/12C Platinum/12C 30th AE
1 x Prime (Used rarely to check out interesting apps)
6 x 15C / C+ / LE
1 x 35S (Only used when interesting posts or discussions appear)
9 x 71B
3 x 75C (same reason)
3 x 75D (same reason)
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - brickviking - 12-06-2017 08:26 AM
(12-06-2017 12:20 AM)lemontea Wrote: Maybe keep it simple and just track top 3 devices?
Everyone can simply post again and say what is their main device for actual regular usage (not merely ownership).
Mine is the 42S now (previously the 15C until I got my physical 42S recently).
You already have my usage patterns from my first post.
(11-29-2017 08:20 PM)brickviking Wrote: HP-50G (of course!, used about 50% of the time)
Casio fx-9750G+ (previously used 40%, down to about 5% after receiving gII)
Casio fx-9750gII (upgraded with fx-9860gII firmware, works well, 33%).
Casio fx-82TL, 230-ish functions, 9 vars (10%)
Casio fx-82MS, 240 functions, 9 vars. (was 30%, down to 0.1%)
Canon F-809P, 27 vars, 39 formulae and can store user-created formulas. (Yuck calculator, 0.01%)
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RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - salvomic - 12-06-2017 09:22 AM
Usage:
(11-29-2017 12:17 PM)salvomic Wrote: HP:
HP Prime (A) 70%
HP Prime (C) as the other Prime
HP 50g 20%
HP 15C 10% with the 12C
HP 12C Platinum as above
HP 12C idem
Others only when somebody ask me how they work.
Not HP:
TI Voyage 200
EDIT: TI 74
Casio FC200
Casio FX 95MS
Casio FX-570MS
Casio FX-100MS
Various emulators :-) Very Often, they are always with me, so it's easy to test them, also for fun:
Prime
Emu50G
HP 15C
HP 12C (and HP12 CP)
Free42
WP34S
i41CX
RPN 35D, 45 HD, 65 Pro, 67D, 70 HD
M48+
Touch 11i, 16i
A poll about emulator could be too distracting, maybe too big to follow...
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Giuseppe Donnini - 12-06-2017 01:45 PM
1 x HP-41CX Honeynut (not in use anymore)
1 x HP-71B Titan (moderately in use)
CLAMSHELL Business (rarely in use)
1 x HP-18C Champion
1 x HP-19BII Tycoon II
CLAMSHELL Scientific (moderately in use)
1 x HP-28C Paladin
1 x HP-28S Orlando
PIONEER Business (almost never in use)
1 x HP-10B Ernst
1 x HP-14B Midas
1 x HP-17BII Trader II
PIONEER Scientific (almost never in use except for the 42S)
1 x HP-20S Erni
1 x HP-21S Montecarlo
1 x HP-22S Plato
1 x HP-27S Mentor
1 x HP-32S Leonardo
1 x HP-42S Davinci
CHARLEMAGNE
1 x HP-38G Elsie (never in real use, but internals are very interesting)
1 x HP-48S Shorty (never in use, spare parts reserve)
1 x HP-48G Alcuin (never in use, spare parts reserve)
3 x HP-48SX Charlemagne w/ 2 x 128KB cards (heavily in use)
1 x HP-48GX Hammer w/ 128KB & 1MB cards (daily in use)
1 x HP-48GX Hammer w/ 128KB & 2MB cards (daily in use)
1 x HP-48GX Hammer w/ 128KB & 4MB cards (daily in use)
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - John Keith - 12-06-2017 09:20 PM
In terms of usage:
50g: >80%
Prime: <10%
Free42 on Android phone: <10%
11C, 15C LE, and 42S physical calcs: 1 - 2%
John
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - rprosperi - 12-06-2017 11:02 PM
(12-06-2017 09:20 PM)John Keith Wrote: In terms of usage:
50g: >80%
Prime: <10%
Free42 on Android phone: <10%
11C, 15C LE, and 42S physical calcs: 1 - 2%
John
Impossible to conclude anything as simple and clear as this represents the real world, as folks were answering different questions along the way. Some folks were replying with what they owned, others what they use, and in most cases didn't report emulators at all as that was excluded in the OP. One can't reach any real conclusions about what people own and use, based solely on the above replies, due to the evolving nature of the thread.
Which is not to say that this thread has not been interesting (despite my initial doubts...), in fact it has been quite interesting for me.
These things surprised me:
1. So many members own/use so many units of a given model
2. So many members own/use RPL machines, despite the relative few that post about it
3. So few members are Prime users (though I think most Prime users don't spend time in this area of the forum, so it's a false indication)
4. So many members have/use business models
These things didn't surprise me:
1. So many members prefer the 41 over any other machine
2. There are many, many fanatics here. Calcaholism is never pretty.
3. That I was surprised my many of the replies. I always learn interesting stuff in these seemingly boring topics, which I guess is what I really need to learn.
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - pier4r - 12-06-2017 11:05 PM
(12-06-2017 03:06 AM)rprosperi Wrote: I'll post here the machines I have among the most popular categories listed in this snapshot. All these are working, and except as noted, used regularly:
13 x 48gII/49g/49g+/50g (48gII and 49g not used very often)
9 x 41 C/CX/CV
12 x 48G/GX/S/SX/G+ (S, G, and G+ used only rarely)
?? x 50g - why is this machine listed again here (see top category)?
18? x 12C/12C Platinum/12C 30th AE
1 x Prime (Used rarely to check out interesting apps)
6 x 15C / C+ / LE
1 x 35S (Only used when interesting posts or discussions appear)
9 x 71B
3 x 75C (same reason)
3 x 75D (same reason)
13 x 48gII/49g/49g+/50g woah! Anyway I made the category " 48gII/49g/49g+/50g" only for the snapshot, in the first post the calc are divided.
So either your write them divided or I assume a distribution proportional to the snapshot.
First post not yet updated, sorry!
From rprosperi
" So many members own/use RPL machines, despite the relative few that post about it"
Instead for my taste there are enough RPL topics (or at least they are engaging enough) already here, without need to go to comp.sys.hp48. For this I thought that the 50g and 48 series would easily be the most common calcs. (although they have the 1st and 2nd spot in terms of owners, according to the previous snapshot)
And yes, fanaticism is never pretty. You all should just accept to have a 50g and admire it 30 minutes every day. xD (not even my 50g gets that amount of care)
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Dave Frederickson - 12-06-2017 11:24 PM
(12-06-2017 11:05 PM)pier4r Wrote: Instead for my taste there are enough RPL topics (or at least they are engaging enough) already here, without need to go to comp.sys.hp48.
A copy of comp.sys.hp48 and comp.sys.handhelds is on the HHC 2017 flash drive.
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Voldemar - 12-06-2017 11:31 PM
HP 35s (I use this most often)
HP 50g Blue
HP 50g normal (new in orginal package, backup option for the future)
HP Prime
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Thomas Okken - 12-06-2017 11:42 PM
(12-06-2017 11:02 PM)rprosperi Wrote: Some folks were replying with what they owned, others what they use, and in most cases didn't report emulators at all as that was excluded in the OP. One can't reach any real conclusions about what people own and use, based solely on the above replies, due to the evolving nature of the thread.
I was surprised to discover that not everyone means the same thing when they say they use some calculator. I thought using a calculator meant using it at work, or to do your taxes, or whatever, but apparently, some people consider writing a program because of some challenge to be using their calculator, while I would call that playing with my calculator.
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Voldemar - 12-06-2017 11:57 PM
(12-06-2017 11:42 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote: while I would call that playing with my calculator.I use my calculators and I am playing with my calculators.
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Danito-Danone - 12-07-2017 12:32 AM
HP-25C Weekly
HP-67 For fun
HP-41C Very seldom
HP-29C Under repair
:-)
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - rprosperi - 12-07-2017 03:51 AM
(12-06-2017 11:42 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote: I was surprised to discover that not everyone means the same thing when they say they use some calculator. I thought using a calculator meant using it at work, or to do your taxes, or whatever, but apparently, some people consider writing a program because of some challenge to be using their calculator, while I would call that playing with my calculator.
Well, with new definitions like this, which seems completely appropriate, the above summaries are even less clear and harder to generalize about. We may have to start this poll all over again with clear new definitions...
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Dave Frederickson - 12-07-2017 05:36 AM
(12-07-2017 03:51 AM)rprosperi Wrote:(12-06-2017 11:42 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote: I was surprised to discover that not everyone means the same thing when they say they use some calculator. I thought using a calculator meant using it at work, or to do your taxes, or whatever, but apparently, some people consider writing a program because of some challenge to be using their calculator, while I would call that playing with my calculator.
Well, with new definitions like this, which seems completely appropriate, the above summaries are even less clear and harder to generalize about. We may have to start this poll all over again with clear new definitions...
LOL!
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - pier4r - 12-07-2017 06:57 AM
(12-06-2017 11:42 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote: I was surprised to discover that not everyone means the same thing when they say they use some calculator. I thought using a calculator meant using it at work, or to do your taxes, or whatever, but apparently, some people consider writing a program because of some challenge to be using their calculator, while I would call that playing with my calculator.
Ah now I get better some of your arguments, especially the one about 'people likely collect calculators without using them'.
For me using an object is using it, whatever the "seriousness" of the task (then again solving a challenge may be way more serious than computing taxes, it depends on the perspective).
The different types of use can be further refined. For example I use my calculators to explore problems since a calculator is like a ready math "PlayStation" that i don't need to setup. Especially the 50g has an immense library of commands plus some neat thirdy party libraries (and I wonder what will happen with new RPL).
RE: Most common calculators in the forum? - Thomas Okken - 12-07-2017 07:15 AM
(12-07-2017 06:57 AM)pier4r Wrote:(12-06-2017 11:42 PM)Thomas Okken Wrote: I was surprised to discover that not everyone means the same thing when they say they use some calculator. I thought using a calculator meant using it at work, or to do your taxes, or whatever, but apparently, some people consider writing a program because of some challenge to be using their calculator, while I would call that playing with my calculator.
Ah now I get better some of your arguments, especially the one about 'people likely collect calculators without using them'.
For me using an object is using it, whatever the "seriousness" of the task (then again solving a challenge may be way more serious than computing taxes, it depends on the perspective).
The different types of use can be further refined. For example I use my calculators to explore problems since a calculator is like a ready math "PlayStation" that i don't need to setup. Especially the 50g has an immense library of commands plus some neat thirdy party libraries (and I wonder what will happen with new RPL).
To me, the difference between "using for fun" and "using for work" matters, because if something I only use for fun stops working, I can just find another way to have fun, but if something I use for work stops working, I have a crisis, and I need to find a replacement.
This is why I'm interested in emulation / simulation. Having a simulator means that I can continue using a calculator even when the actual, original, physical devices are no longer available... Which will happen, sooner or later.