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Going to Nashville!
Message #1 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 17 July 2012, 9:21 a.m.

Can't wait to see all the HP enthusiasts in September. :)

      
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #2 Posted by Walter B on 17 July 2012, 10:16 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Eddie W. Shore

Quote:
Can't wait to see all the HP enthusiasts in September. :)
You won't see them *all* but only those living within a radius of perhaps some 2000 Imperial British miles around Nashville, plus some traveling by that time by chance, plus a few persons from more distant places able to spend really lots for their hobby.
            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #3 Posted by David Persinger (US) on 17 July 2012, 12:08 p.m.,
in response to message #2 by Walter B

Now that response is one of a dyed in the wool programmer. Must consider every combination of the factors!

Love it!

            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #4 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 17 July 2012, 3:40 p.m.,
in response to message #2 by Walter B

Quote:

You won't see them *all* but only those living within a radius of perhaps some 2000 Imperial British miles around Nashville, plus some traveling by that time by chance, plus a few persons from more distant places able to spend really lots for their hobby.


LOL

            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #5 Posted by Fung Wah on 18 July 2012, 8:35 a.m.,
in response to message #2 by Walter B

Quote:
You won't see them *all* but only those...

I'm curious as to the rational of choosing Nashville. Other than perhaps adding some geographic variety and (maybe / not) lower cost accommodations, I don't really see the draw from a logistical perspective.

At first glance scheduling every year in Silicon Valley may seem monotonous. But what other US location offers equivalent attraction and resources for the techie-geek outside of the conference?

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #6 Posted by Eric Rechlin on 18 July 2012, 11:37 a.m.,
in response to message #5 by Fung Wah

Of the last 10 years of conferences, the only other one that wasn't in the West was in Chicago in 2005. For those of us who live a long way east of California, it's nice to finally have another conference that is easier to fly to without having to take so much time off work.

Plus, it's really boring having the conference in the same few cities. By picking a new city, we can see new attractions for a change. And I know, geeky stuff is nice, but do you *always* have to go to geeky attractions?

Houston would have been a nice choice for the conference, too, as a central location that is easy to get to with lots of attractions, but HP seemed to have very little interest in accommodating us there, so Nashville was picked instead.

Eric

                        
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #7 Posted by Fung Wah on 19 July 2012, 12:32 a.m.,
in response to message #6 by Eric Rechlin

Quote:
And I know, geeky stuff is nice, but do you *always* have to go to geeky attractions?

That question appears rhetorical in the context of this forum.

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #8 Posted by Les Koller on 18 July 2012, 11:49 a.m.,
in response to message #5 by Fung Wah

Well let's see. Nashville is, 372 miles from here. Silicon Valley is, oh, 1960 give or take. Give the other side of the friggin' country a chance huh? :) Leslie, from near Little Rock, Arkansas

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #9 Posted by Mike Morrow on 18 July 2012, 12:59 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Fung Wah

Quote:
I'm curious as to the rational of choosing Nashville. Other than perhaps adding some geographic variety and (maybe / not) lower cost accommodations, I don't really see the draw from a logistical perspective.

That implies, without benefit of any declared factual basis, that there exists some vague "logistical" advantage to some other unspecified (but doubtless US west coast) location. Why not admit simply that you want the location to be closer to you? That has valid justification...for you!

Nashville definitely has much lower costs for equivalent accommodation and service in every particular, compared to previous locations. Very likely, it is much closer to the majority of interested forum members than the US west coast.

It's the part of the USA into which innovative companies have been flowing to escape incompetent near-bankrupt state governments like California's. This an unintended bonus...I'm sure it did not inform the decision process.

                        
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #10 Posted by Les Koller on 18 July 2012, 1:37 p.m.,
in response to message #9 by Mike Morrow

""It's the part of the USA into which innovative companies have been flowing to escape incompetent near-bankrupt state governments like California's. This an unintended bonus...I'm sure it did not inform the decision process. ""

At first I was like "Heck yeah!" Then I lol'd.... :)

                        
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #11 Posted by Fung Wah on 19 July 2012, 12:47 a.m.,
in response to message #9 by Mike Morrow

Quote:
Why not admit simply that you want the location to be closer to you?

Because it isn't. Nashville, were I so inclined, would be a closer trek.

Quote:
It's the part of the USA into which innovative companies have been flowing to escape incompetent near-bankrupt state governments like California's. This an unintended bonus...I'm sure it did not inform the decision process.

I don't see how that manifests as a bonus. Nor is the government's self inflicted mismanagement appropriate for debate here. Yet despite the prophecies of doom Silicon Valley somehow manages to persist as an unequalled technology hub.

                        
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #12 Posted by Fung Wah on 19 July 2012, 7:12 p.m.,
in response to message #9 by Mike Morrow

Quote:
Nashville definitely has much lower costs for equivalent accommodation and service in every particular, compared to previous locations.

Apparently not. In the process of making (unrelated) reservations in SV this morning, I found the corresponding Holiday Inn Express in San Jose trivially quotes the same $85/night rate as the Nashville group rate for 9/21~9/23.

However the latter may indeed be an unintentional cost savings for this venue. At least for myself I find departures from SV are accompanied by luggage crammed to excess with "stuff" accumulated from the incessant number of techie geek establishments littering the bay area. But admittedly that's a main attraction of the trip in the first place.

Edited: 20 July 2012, 2:59 p.m.

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #13 Posted by Jake Schwartz on 18 July 2012, 4:55 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Fung Wah

Quote:
I'm curious as to the rational of choosing Nashville. Other than perhaps adding some geographic variety and (maybe / not) lower cost accommodations, I don't really see the draw from a logistical perspective.

It is because at HHC2011, (conference committee member) Gene Wright volunteered to look into having it where he lives as an opportunity to have an event near the other side of the U.S. for a change. Each conference must be coordinated by somebody, and it's easier if that person lives at that location, since a great deal of the arranging effort is much more easily done in person. It is amazing how much work it takes to do one of these things (and I did the ones in Philly in 1982 and 1992 so I have some first-hand experience). Back in January, HP offered their Houston facility to host it as "plan A" and Nashville became "plan B". However following checking the details, Houston wasn't going to work out due to unforeseen expenses. So plan B was it. Basides, it will be good to give another group of people the chance to attend without flying across the country.

Jake

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #14 Posted by bill platt on 19 July 2012, 1:25 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Fung Wah

New York City.

Or somewhere near New York City. Easton, PA perhaps? Or Meriden, Connecticut? Or Vineland, NJ? How about Langhorne, PA? Bear, Delaware? Poughkeepsie, NY?

Edited: 19 July 2012, 1:29 p.m.

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #15 Posted by BruceH on 19 July 2012, 2:26 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Fung Wah

Quote:
I'm curious as to the rational of choosing Nashville.
The advantage of going to Nashville is that it's got *both* types of music ^W reverse polish notations.
;-)
      
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #16 Posted by Marcus von Cube, Germany on 17 July 2012, 1:19 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Eddie W. Shore

This time without me. Maybe next year...

      
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #17 Posted by Guenter Schink on 17 July 2012, 1:34 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Eddie W. Shore

Yes, looking forward to Nashville too. I'll arrive on Thursday - maybe some additional hand is useful in the preparatory work on Friday.

I hope to find some company for sightseeing in the area on Monday and Tuesday.

Afterwards I'll spend some days travelling through Colorado starting from Denver.

Cheers GŁnter

      
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #18 Posted by Jake Schwartz on 17 July 2012, 3:35 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Eddie W. Shore

Anyone thinking about travel from the hotel to the conference will no longer have to be concerned, because the conference itself has officially been moved to "our" hotel, where there is more space. For additional information, check http://hhuc.us/2012/index.htm and be sure to refresh the page if your broswer went there recently. Richard Nelson will probably post more detailed info here soon. Thanks, Jake

            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #19 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 17 July 2012, 3:39 p.m.,
in response to message #18 by Jake Schwartz

Quote:
Anyone thinking about travel from the hotel to the conference will no longer have to be concerned, because the conference itself has officially been moved to "our" hotel, where there is more space. For additional information, check http://hhuc.us/2012/index.htm and be sure to refresh the page if your broswer went there recently. Richard Nelson will probably post more detailed info here soon. Thanks, Jake

Nice!

      
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #20 Posted by Namir on 17 July 2012, 7:05 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Eddie W. Shore

I am arriving on Thursday the 20th. Should be in the hotel when the rooms will be available in the afternoon.

Namir

            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #21 Posted by Patrice on 18 July 2012, 12:48 a.m.,
in response to message #20 by Namir

Hi Namir,

Can you send me your actual Email.

You don't respond to my mail.

Patrice

      
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #22 Posted by Les Koller on 18 July 2012, 9:52 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Eddie W. Shore

Man I envy you guys going! I would love to but will be in school...both attending and teaching. And that's pretty close to me too. Oh well, hope to see the video anway. You guys have fun and learn lots.

            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #23 Posted by David Ramsey on 18 July 2012, 12:17 p.m.,
in response to message #22 by Les Koller

It's only about 2,100 miles from Reno...a nice relaxing drive...

            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #24 Posted by Jeff O. on 18 July 2012, 12:29 p.m.,
in response to message #22 by Les Koller

Les,
The festivities are on Saturday and Sunday, and it appears to be only about a 5-1/2 hour drive for you. Can't you work out your teaching/learning schedule to leave late Friday afternoon, get home Sunday evening? I doubt that the conference will ever be closer or easier for you to attend.

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #25 Posted by Les Koller on 18 July 2012, 1:39 p.m.,
in response to message #24 by Jeff O.

You know, you are right. I am going to make every effort. Thanks for the prod!

      
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #26 Posted by Matt Agajanian on 19 July 2012, 12:17 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Eddie W. Shore

For all those who will be going, please remember to fill us in what lies ahead for the next HP calculator lineage?

And thank you for letting us know.

Edited: 19 July 2012, 12:59 a.m.

            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #27 Posted by Eric Smith on 19 July 2012, 1:38 a.m.,
in response to message #26 by Matt Agajanian

Sorry, but most likely we will be unable to do that. Historically when HP discusses unannounced products at conferences, it has been done under NDA. While I don't have any information about what's going to happen at HHC 2012, I don't have any reason to think that it will be different.

If I had to speculate, I'd predict that any new low-end calculators will be OEM'd, low-ish to mid-range will be based on the same platform as the 10bII+/20b/30b, and that any new high-end calculators will be variants of the 39gII.

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #28 Posted by Walter B on 19 July 2012, 3:45 a.m.,
in response to message #27 by Eric Smith

Quote:
If I had to speculate, I'd predict that ... any new high-end calculators will be variants of the 39gII.
I vote for differentiating "high-end" and "graphic". I've no idea what HP plans in these sectors, the separation is for principal reasons - many graphic calcs are student's playgrounds but nothing I'd call "high-end".
                        
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #29 Posted by Eric Smith on 19 July 2012, 4:01 a.m.,
in response to message #28 by Walter B

From the point of view of a typical participant in this forum, there can indeed be high-end non-graphing calculators. From the point of view of the marketplace and the major calculator vendors, I don't think that's true. I don't think there is any significant market for high-end non-graphing calculators now. It's a shame, because that's exactly what I'm trying to develop. I would love to be proven wrong.

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #30 Posted by Matt Agajanian on 19 July 2012, 3:41 p.m.,
in response to message #27 by Eric Smith

Well, okay. I didn't realise how private the HHCs were. I thought they'd be more in line with an expo like Macworld. I didn't think the HHCs would be like the Apple WWDC which is for developers and require NDAs. I thought HHCs would be more open to products/services all ready for public release.

Thanks for the clarification.

                        
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #31 Posted by Tim Wessman on 19 July 2012, 3:45 p.m.,
in response to message #30 by Matt Agajanian

Much much smaller. Sizes in the range of 40-70 people total. :-)

I suppose a vendor could come, but I don't think they'd recoup the cost.

TW

                              
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #32 Posted by Eric Smith on 19 July 2012, 11:47 p.m.,
in response to message #31 by Tim Wessman

In years past, there were vendor exhibits, but that has dried up as the market for engineering calculators (vs. education calculators) and palmtop computers contracted.

In fact, it was at such a vendor exhibit at an HHC conference that I first saw the Toshiba Libretto 50CT mentioned in another thread here, and had to get one, a grey-market import since Toshiba had not yet introduced a model for the US market.

I think the vendor was naive to have used the Libretto 50CT for his demos, because everyone was asking him for information on the computer and hardly anyone was interested in whatever product he was actually trying to promote.

Edited: 19 July 2012, 11:49 p.m.

                        
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #33 Posted by Eric Smith on 19 July 2012, 11:44 p.m.,
in response to message #30 by Matt Agajanian

All the sessions are open to everyone without NDAs, EXCEPT the sessions where HP discusses unnanounced products.

Surely you didn't really expect that HP would discuss unannounced products in public?

            
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #34 Posted by Tim Wessman on 19 July 2012, 10:11 a.m.,
in response to message #26 by Matt Agajanian

Considering that every single person is asked to sign a confidentiality agreement before listening to any HP thing and that as far as I can tell nobody has ever shared or broken that in the past I seriously doubt (and hope) there will be no sharing.

Every year it is a fight to share stuff at the conference. What *ALWAYS* tips the balance is that we are able to say that nobody has ever broken that agreement and "you can trust this group".

The instant anyone posts stuff online that we shared in confidence or we hear someone that just couldn't help but talk with someone, that will be the last year HP participates in, or provides any financial support for, HHC. In fact, everyone will be able to point and say "that person ruined it". :-(

TW

Edited: 19 July 2012, 10:15 a.m.

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #35 Posted by Jim Horn on 19 July 2012, 11:47 a.m.,
in response to message #34 by Tim Wessman

Agreed, Tim. HP's willingness to put the company jewels in the hands of non-employees is truely remarkable. Especially in light of the rampant desire to know what's coming ahead of time that's been the case since they started all this in the '70s.

At the Corvallis HHC (1981?), there was much anticipation and rumor mongering about HP's first hand-held computer, the forthcoming HP-75, code named "Kangaroo". As an HP employee in their Signal Analysis Division, Santa Rosa, California, I was involved in coordinating plans for use of the also-new HP-IL with the HP70000 Modular Measurement System. One result is that when I arrived at the conference, Corvallis gave me a prototype '75 with its code in an external box of EPROMs along with a pile of documentation.

Needless to say, that went into the trunk of my VW and I was paranoid to keep it out of sight.

At the conference, one of the door prizes someone won was a rare HP-65 leather case. That was unique in that it had a separate portion to hold a case of magnetic cards and was greatly desired by many HP-67 and HP-41 owners. Because of its design, it was known since 1975 (when the '65 came out) as a Kangaroo case. So, when I saw it at the conference, I impulsively said, "Wow, a Kangaroo case!"

In milliseconds, the happy owner of the new case was swarmed by excited HHC attendees sporting cameras, rulers and notepads, hoping to derive something about the forthcoming Kangaroo / HP-75. My protestations that my statement referred to the HP-65 fell on deaf ears.

Funny, in retrospect. But my hat is off to Tim, Cyrille, and the rest of the great HP calculator team for the work they do and the trust they have in this remarkable group of enthusiasts.

Jim Horn (left HP in 1989 - now designing unmanned aircraft)

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #36 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 19 July 2012, 2:17 p.m.,
in response to message #34 by Tim Wessman

We have to keep silence regarding certain projects.

                  
Re: Going to Nashville!
Message #37 Posted by Matt Agajanian on 19 July 2012, 3:43 p.m.,
in response to message #34 by Tim Wessman

See my response to Eric Smith's post above.

Edited: 19 July 2012, 3:44 p.m.


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