HP Forum Archive 21

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Thanks...yet again Message #1 Posted by Matt Agajanian on 21 May 2012, 10:27 p.m. Hello all. I truly appreciate your help, insight and brilliant solutions to the questions I manage to come up with. More importantly, thanks for bearing with me in light of my clumsiness, absent-mindedness and amateur understanding of the technical and mathematical genius you've all demonstrated here.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #2 Posted by Ethan Conner on 21 May 2012, 10:40 p.m., in response to message #1 by Matt Agajanian I have enjoyed reading most of your posts. In the less than a year i have been here other than the 15c LE launch you have given alot of life to this group. Also you are my hero for being a "one man gang" against complete and utter wp34s domination of this forum.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #3 Posted by Matt Agajanian on 21 May 2012, 11:04 p.m., in response to message #2 by Ethan Conner Thank you so much for those kind words.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #4 Posted by Nick R on 21 May 2012, 11:09 p.m., in response to message #2 by Ethan Conner I don't have the expertise to set up a WP34S and therefore don't follow all the posts relating to it. I do however have a lot of admiration for those that have put a great amount of time and effort into its creation. I don't see a problem if the subject comes up frequently for discussion. That's what a technical forum is for after all.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #5 Posted by Ethan Conner on 21 May 2012, 11:52 p.m., in response to message #4 by Nick R My point was that if not for Matt virtually nothing else would get talked about. I have also stated in the past that the wp34s is a great achievement in the scope of what it can do and precision.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #6 Posted by Walter B on 22 May 2012, 12:30 a.m., in response to message #5 by Ethan Conner Quote: My point was that if not for Matt virtually nothing else would get talked about. You describe the symptom well. But what about the root cause? History is a closed set. Also I'd love to discuss *new* *HP* *RPN* *scientific* calcs, alas ... so we had to make our own. Sigh ;-)

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #7 Posted by Ethan Conner on 22 May 2012, 1:08 a.m., in response to message #6 by Walter B Yes you are correct.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #8 Posted by Ángel Martin on 22 May 2012, 2:30 a.m., in response to message #5 by Ethan Conner well I do my part about *new* RPN/MCODE developments as well... just not so catchy and popular as the 34S for sure :-)

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #9 Posted by M. Joury on 26 May 2012, 9:18 a.m., in response to message #8 by Ángel Martin Yes! And I, for one, thank you and Monte, and Diego, and others for all the hard work you have put into extending the life of the 41. Unfortunately the set of people interested in it seems to be far smaller than those interested in the WP34 project. The WP34 is a great little machine and I have a lot of respect for the people that put all the hard work into making it a reality. But for me the 41 is still the greatest calculator ever made by HP. Cheers, -Marwan

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #10 Posted by Luiz C. Vieira (Brazil) on 26 May 2012, 9:44 a.m., in response to message #9 by M. Joury Ditto! The HP41 was - and still is - way ahead of its (our) time... Edited: 26 May 2012, 9:45 a.m.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #11 Posted by Mike Morrow on 26 May 2012, 2:41 p.m., in response to message #10 by Luiz C. Vieira (Brazil) After 32 years of HP-41C and HP-41CX ownership I have a different perspective. When judging its value in 2012, I can't ignore the extremely limited display capability, reported weakness of the construction (posts), reported failures of the folded stiff ribbon-type battery and module connectors, the non-existent complex number native capability, the poor precision and accuracy compared to even the cheapest Saturn-based machines, the limited memory and its cost (then and now), the lack of external I/O and its cost (card readers and HP-IL have been archaic for decades), and the slow speed. I still value my HP-41CX...I like it in the way I appreciate any 1984 museum piece that I would never use for real work in 2012. Incontestably, the HP-41C* has the finest keyboard quality of any calculator ever made by anyone that I've ever experienced...and that's no mean achievement. Neither HP nor anyone else has been able to come close even after another one-third century. It is still first place in that respect.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #12 Posted by Massimo Gnerucci (Italy) on 26 May 2012, 2:55 p.m., in response to message #9 by M. Joury Ditto!! :)

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #13 Posted by Eduardo Duenez on 1 June 2012, 6:16 p.m., in response to message #9 by M. Joury Quote: Yes! And I, for one, thank you and Monte, and Diego, and others for all the hard work you have put into extending the life of the 41. Unfortunately the set of people interested in it seems to be far smaller than those interested in the WP34 project. I'd love to have a 41CL. Heck, I'd love even a 41C. The problem is that brand-new HP30b's can be had for about $20, whereas a used 41C in good condition is at least $150, and a 41CL will set me back around $500, not to mention the heartache of dealing with sellers on That Auction Site. Eduardo

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #14 Posted by Bart (UK) on 22 May 2012, 7:00 a.m., in response to message #1 by Matt Agajanian Thank you for your posts, they have made me think about things more in depth too and I also learn from the various responses.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #15 Posted by Matt Agajanian on 22 May 2012, 11:17 a.m., in response to message #14 by Bart (UK) You are quite welcome.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #16 Posted by Marcus von Cube, Germany on 26 May 2012, 3:44 a.m., in response to message #1 by Matt Agajanian Matt, I've just stumbled across your 28S battery mishap. You should ask more questions in advance before something gets awry. Ever thought about getting your fingers wet on a WP 34S? I see tons of interesting discussions being started by you ;-) (Sorry, Ethan!)

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #17 Posted by Ethan Conner on 26 May 2012, 8:27 a.m., in response to message #16 by Marcus von Cube, Germany It's ok. :)

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #18 Posted by Mike Morrow on 26 May 2012, 2:55 p.m., in response to message #16 by Marcus von Cube, Germany Quote: I've just stumbled across your 28S battery mishap. I read last night in A Guide to HP Handheld Calculators and Computers (Meir-Jedrzejowicz, 1997) this statement on page 89: At all costs avoid 12V batteries that are nearly the same size - three of these provide 36V instead of 4.5V and destroy your Clamshell! I suspect that few of us had heard of that ever actually happening.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #19 Posted by Matt Agajanian on 26 May 2012, 3:19 p.m., in response to message #18 by Mike Morrow Ironic that the book would mention that exact same mishap. Uncanny indeed. In all honesty, it was my goof. Like I said, dad brought home a couple of garage door batteries the other day. They looked like the N cells I use. And I thought that 23A was just another synonym for N cell. Besides, I don't drive so, what did I know about garage doors, the remote or cars? How would I know that a garage door remote requires 12V to operate? So, I told dad to pick up three for my 28. Well, anyways, lesson learned. Edited: 26 May 2012, 3:25 p.m.

Re: Thanks...yet again Message #20 Posted by Ethan Conner on 26 May 2012, 5:34 p.m., in response to message #19 by Matt Agajanian I love it!

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