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DM-15CC
Message #1 Posted by Benoit Maag on 12 Feb 2012, 3:56 a.m.

Was out of stock, but Michael Steimann has just released a new batch of DM-15CC for sale at rpn-calc.ch - est ship date Feb 27

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #2 Posted by Paul Dale on 12 Feb 2012, 4:03 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

Mine is ordered :)

- Pauli

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #3 Posted by hpnut on 12 Feb 2012, 4:59 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

Placed my order too, I bet I will have the first unit in Malaysia :-)

if it's any good, will also order the 16C

hpnut in Malaysia

            
Re: DM-15CC
Message #4 Posted by Vince (Italy) on 12 Feb 2012, 10:17 a.m.,
in response to message #3 by hpnut

Quote:

if it's any good, will also order the 16C


I think you might try it. The 15C can be flashed with the 16C firmware, I guess

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #5 Posted by Antonio Petri (UK) on 12 Feb 2012, 7:22 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

Placed my order too. I look forward to the 16C, as I have got only my original one and I am now too afraid to use it!

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #6 Posted by Thomas Radtke on 12 Feb 2012, 7:33 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

Ordered one to leave the 15C LE at home :-).

Maybe the ON-key is stiff enough to even be able to carry it in my trowser (front!) pocket.

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #7 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 12 Feb 2012, 8:15 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

Mine has just been ordered. Thanks!

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #8 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 12 Feb 2012, 9:04 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

Just placed my order for one as well. PayPal really screwed me on the exchange rate from USD to CHF. Am I the first Yank to order one of these ?

            
Re: DM-15CC
Message #9 Posted by Mark Hardman on 12 Feb 2012, 10:19 a.m.,
in response to message #8 by Michael de Estrada

I guess that I was the second "Yank" to order.

I agree that the PayPal exchange rate was on the extreme low side. The current exchange rate that I see published is 0.9163USD per CHF. PayPay charged 0.893929USD per CHF. But, in the end, its only a difference of $1.81. Thankfully the price was not in Euros.

Mark Hardman

Edited: 12 Feb 2012, 10:21 a.m.

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #10 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 12 Feb 2012, 11:07 a.m.,
in response to message #9 by Mark Hardman

PayPal has all kinds of sneaky ways to increase their fees on international payments. I've been charged an effective fee of a little over 3% for domestic payments, but was charged nearly 5% on payments received in USD from Germany. They won't disclose how their fees are calculated, you just have to calculate it based on the fee amount that is deducted from the invoiced amount.

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #11 Posted by Gerardo Rincon on 12 Feb 2012, 11:44 a.m.,
in response to message #9 by Mark Hardman

I Ordered mine today. Shipping to Michigan:

From amount $74.95 USD To amount 67.00 CHF Exchange rate: 1 U.S. Dollar = 0.893929 Swiss Francs

I am very excited on receiving this calculator. It's a truly innovation.

How about trying an HP-32S also?

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #12 Posted by RedGlyph on 13 Feb 2012, 1:44 p.m.,
in response to message #9 by Mark Hardman

You can choose, either Paypal does the conversion between the currencies, or it doesn't and Visa does it (which is usually most favourable).

They also got me the first time, then I changed the defaults.

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #13 Posted by From Hong Kong on 12 Feb 2012, 11:48 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

I've already placed an order. Hopefully, the next incarnation of DM-15CC will have 2 CR2032 batteries loaded and be on par with HP-15C LE in speed.

            
Re: DM-15CC
Message #14 Posted by Lode on 12 Feb 2012, 12:14 p.m.,
in response to message #13 by From Hong Kong

It looks like HP managed to get the emulation running at way faster speed, but at the cost of emulation accuracy (almost all bugs are related to handling keypresses and the display), while the DC-15CC has a slower, but more accurate emulation. Just my wild guess from seeing the results posted here though :)

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #15 Posted by Giancarlo on 12 Feb 2012, 12:36 p.m.,
in response to message #14 by Lode

Hello, Does anybody know the size of the calc? I saw the video on youtube but i cannot understand the size very well,

Thanks

Giancarlo

                        
Re: DM-15CC
Message #16 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 12 Feb 2012, 12:39 p.m.,
in response to message #15 by Giancarlo

Supposedly it's the same as a credit card, but much thicker.

                        
Re: DM-15CC
Message #17 Posted by RedGlyph on 13 Feb 2012, 1:48 p.m.,
in response to message #15 by Giancarlo

86x57x8 mm

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #18 Posted by Thomas Radtke on 12 Feb 2012, 1:51 p.m.,
in response to message #14 by Lode

Quote:
[...] while the DC-15CC has a slower, but more accurate emulation.
If it is a true emulation, HP will likely hunt Mike down.
                        
Re: DM-15CC
Message #19 Posted by Katie Wasserman on 12 Feb 2012, 4:50 p.m.,
in response to message #18 by Thomas Radtke

Quote:
If it is a true emulation, HP will likely hunt Mike down.

I'm concerned about this prospect too, but hope that HP realizes that this is not going to interfere with their selling the 15C LE nor cut into sales of anything else that have currently. They should view the DM-15CC as free advertising for the real deal and make the real deal more available and bug-free. Maybe the DM-16CC will get HP to offer a 16C LE (or 16C+).

                        
Re: DM-15CC
Message #20 Posted by RedGlyph on 13 Feb 2012, 1:51 p.m.,
in response to message #18 by Thomas Radtke

No, they can't, that's the beauty of it :)

Check this link: http://nonpareil.brouhaha.com/microcode_copyright_status/

                              
Re: DM-15CC
Message #21 Posted by Paul Dale on 13 Feb 2012, 3:15 p.m.,
in response to message #20 by RedGlyph

And how would that stop a large corporation burying you under a mountain of lawyers if they decided they wanted you stopped?

Right has little to do with the legal system unfortunately.

- Pauli

                                    
Re: DM-15CC
Message #22 Posted by Ethan Conner on 13 Feb 2012, 4:27 p.m.,
in response to message #21 by Paul Dale

I agree having witnessed this "lawyering" over nothing more than a trade name. The large company successfully beat the small company into submission and took the trade name. It was brutal. There was absolutely nothing right about it.

                                          
Re: DM-15CC
Message #23 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 13 Feb 2012, 9:56 p.m.,
in response to message #22 by Ethan Conner

Eathan & Paul;
Agreed, so lets hope that hp doesn't want to stir mierda, or doesn't want to try to bully around the country where their numbered bank accounts are.
Eathan; There's another sad story about laiers twisting around facts and stealing a well known name. In the late '40s the Plumb company, whose only claim to fame is boy scout hatchets, legally stole the right of Plomb Tools to use the name of it's founder Alphonse Plomb, which it had used for over 30 years. Note to self: always trademark the names for any major corporations that i found.

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #24 Posted by Andy Lamming (UK) on 12 Feb 2012, 2:23 p.m.,
in response to message #14 by Lode

My DM-15CC completes Katie Wasserman's Pi programme for the 15C in 5 hours 48 minutes. So that's 7 times faster than the 43 hours she reports for the original 15C, but quite a bit slower than the 16 minutes she reports for the LE.

                        
Re: DM-15CC
Message #25 Posted by Giancarlo on 12 Feb 2012, 4:54 p.m.,
in response to message #24 by Andy Lamming (UK)

Just ordered mine...

bye

Giancarlo

                        
Re: DM-15CC
Message #26 Posted by uhmgawa on 14 Feb 2012, 1:21 a.m.,
in response to message #24 by Andy Lamming (UK)

Quote:
My DM-15CC completes Katie Wasserman's Pi programme for the 15C in 5 hours 48 minutes. So that's 7 times faster than the 43 hours she reports for the original 15C, but quite a bit slower than the 16 minutes she reports for the LE.

Is the above 7.5x speed increase relative to a legacy 15C consistent for general operation? That seems disproportional given the LPC1114 and sam7 are both 32-bit ARM cores, moreover the LPC1114 design is capable of a 48MHz clock rate compared to the sam7 at 36MHz. While the LPC1114 could be running at a more conservative clock, even at 48MHz it is quite close to parity power-budget with one CR2032 cell vs. the sam7 @ 36MHz feeding from 2x CR2032.

As a reference point, KEMU configured for size optimization (rather than performance) on a C runtime hostile 8-bit 8MHz SoC yields a rough 6x performance over a legacy voyager.

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #27 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 12 Feb 2012, 5:49 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

just got home; he'd sent me an email and i tried ordering.
it's sold out already.

            
Re: DM-15CC
Message #28 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 12 Feb 2012, 6:38 p.m.,
in response to message #27 by db (martinez, ca.)

Wow ! This must be the first time ever that I've gotten in ahead of you on a non-HP RPN calc. Well, at least it looks like there will be more of them coming in late March. Or, we could trade on something....maybe a Sanyo CZ 2901 ? ;)

Edited: 12 Feb 2012, 6:44 p.m. after one or more responses were posted

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #29 Posted by aj04062 on 12 Feb 2012, 6:42 p.m.,
in response to message #28 by Michael de Estrada

I ordered mine in the first batch. Seeing that they have already arrived in the UK, hopefully I will see it this week.

I am missing that Red Dot, anyone wanna trade? ;)

keep the peace

                        
Re: DM-15CC
Message #30 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 12 Feb 2012, 7:36 p.m.,
in response to message #29 by aj04062

Michael & aj;
You guys are cruel. In a week or two you'll probably be posting that the DM-15cc is so good you wouldn't trade two red dots for it.

            
Re: DM-15CC
Message #31 Posted by Barry Reeves on 13 Feb 2012, 2:37 p.m.,
in response to message #27 by db (martinez, ca.)

I missed it again too. :( Maybe next batch.

      
Re: DM-15CC
Message #32 Posted by Geoff Quickfall on 14 Feb 2012, 4:41 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Benoit Maag

Sorry, I ordered two.

About five seconds after the email arrived saying he was taking orders.

;-)

            
Re: DM-15CC
Message #33 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 14 Feb 2012, 9:25 a.m.,
in response to message #32 by Geoff Quickfall

Quote:
Sorry, I ordered two.

Pilots make good salaries.

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #34 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 14 Feb 2012, 12:44 p.m.,
in response to message #33 by Michael de Estrada

Quote:
Pilots make good salaries.

.....and have quick reaction times

                  
Re: DM-15CC
Message #35 Posted by Geoff Quickfall on 14 Feb 2012, 12:51 p.m.,
in response to message #33 by Michael de Estrada

Starting at 35,000 with ten years experience and a 4 year degree.

Only make a good salary if airline grows and you are not living under a threat of chapter 11 for 25 years! Just watch the movie "wall street" to see what 'shareholder value has done to the airline industry in Canada.

Top salary in your last 5 years as a capt on 777 or larger. 8 paycuts in 26 years (each new contract to help the airline shift money to the shareholders) and not even cost of living in the mean time.

But it is fun!

Looking forward to stereo vision DM-15CC


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