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15C LE just arrived
Message #1 Posted by Keith Beyer on 23 Dec 2011, 12:44 p.m.

Just got it. Nice. Lighter than the original 15C. Has wiggly f and g keys like the first run. What did they supposedly fix from the first run?

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #2 Posted by Thomas Radtke on 23 Dec 2011, 1:04 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Keith Beyer

Some keys won't register on some calculators (probably due to dirt).
The wiggly shift keys cannot be fixed easily, and I think the only problem about this is that they are the only keys outside the matrix. If all keys were 'loose', nobody would have complained about that, imo ;-).
Several problems remain, unfortunately.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #3 Posted by David Griffith on 24 Dec 2011, 12:17 a.m.,
in response to message #2 by Thomas Radtke

Is this from the lot that most recently showed up on buy.com? I haven't been able to get to mine yet and I'm thinking "uh oh".

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #4 Posted by Keith Beyer on 24 Dec 2011, 9:31 a.m.,
in response to message #3 by David Griffith

No, I bought this on the HP website on 12/21/11. The standard shipping was super fast. I assume this is the second run of calculators, but I thought one issue they would fix was the wobbly f and g keys. It's weird because all the other keys are fine. Everything works well as far as I can tell.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #5 Posted by Ethan Conner on 24 Dec 2011, 10:59 a.m.,
in response to message #4 by Keith Beyer

The f and g are wobbly on every LE because they are stand alone where the rest of the keypad is tied together. If you are waiting for a "fix" on that you better get comfortable. lol

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #6 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 24 Dec 2011, 12:39 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Ethan Conner


Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #7 Posted by David Griffith on 24 Dec 2011, 3:17 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Ethan Conner

Are the corresponding keys wobbly on the current 12c+?
Edited: 24 Dec 2011, 3:18 p.m.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #8 Posted by Neil Hamilton (Ottawa) on 24 Dec 2011, 5:41 p.m.,
in response to message #7 by David Griffith

Not on mine...

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #9 Posted by David Griffith on 24 Dec 2011, 5:52 p.m.,
in response to message #8 by Neil Hamilton (Ottawa)

Does anyone know of a teardown with photos on the 12c? Perhaps that could be used as a reference on how to fix the wobbly 15cle keys.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #10 Posted by NateB on 24 Dec 2011, 7:46 p.m.,
in response to message #9 by David Griffith

The problem is also related to the molds used for those keys. As the molds wear, the keys will have a greater tendency to wiggle. There is more info on the f and g keys in an earlier thread. Basically, the wiggle varies, is within the expected tolerance for the keys, and is not something that HP will be correcting.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #11 Posted by David Griffith on 25 Dec 2011, 1:55 a.m.,
in response to message #10 by NateB

I thought I saw some posts here and elsewhere from people who had the jiggly key problem and HP fixed it.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #12 Posted by Jeff O. on 25 Dec 2011, 7:05 p.m.,
in response to message #11 by David Griffith

HP "fixed" (i.e. replaced) units which had keys that did not register when pressed or required excessive pressure to cause to register.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #13 Posted by David Griffith on 26 Dec 2011, 8:48 p.m.,
in response to message #12 by Jeff O.

I opened up my new 15c LE yesterday. The shift keys jiggle a little, but no more than on some other calculators I've had and I wasn't bothered then. I still need to fiddle with it to get the hang of using it. I think I'll stick with the 32sii for everyday use, but this purchase was a good one.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #14 Posted by Keith Beyer on 30 Dec 2011, 11:55 a.m.,
in response to message #13 by David Griffith

My complaint with the wobbly f and g keys is this: They have been making the 12C for about 30 years WITHOUT wobbly f and g keys, so why do something different with the 15C? I bought a 12C new about 10 years ago and all keys were solid then and still are. I can only guess they are using a different manufacturer for the 15C, and somehow the production of those two keys is different??
I'll be ok using the calculator, and I'm not saying it is a fatal flaw. My concern is those keys will fail eventually.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #15 Posted by Paul Brogger on 24 Dec 2011, 9:15 a.m.,
in response to message #2 by Thomas Radtke

Would someone please link to the current problem list?
Thanks,
PJB

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #16 Posted by Jeff O. on 24 Dec 2011, 12:15 p.m.,
in response to message #15 by Paul Brogger

Paul,
Katie prepared a bug list article.
Also a few threads with discusion:
Thread
another
another
another
another

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #17 Posted by Katie Wasserman on 25 Dec 2011, 5:42 p.m.,
in response to message #16 by Jeff O.

Jeff,
I've added your findings to the bug list article.
-Katie

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #18 Posted by Jeff O. on 25 Dec 2011, 9:42 p.m.,
in response to message #17 by Katie Wasserman

Thanks,
My findings are fairly minor, but probably good to get them all in one place.
Seems like this one you found ought to be in the list too.


Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #19 Posted by Katie Wasserman on 26 Dec 2011, 5:26 a.m.,
in response to message #18 by Jeff O.

Thanks, I've updated the list again.
I'm not that all that hopeful that any of these issues will be addressed, HP seems to be selling out of the 15C LE's awfully quickly even with these bugs.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #20 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 23 Dec 2011, 1:05 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Keith Beyer

Quote:
Lighter than the original 15C
Are you sure ? My original HP 15C weighs 116 grams, whereas my several HP 15C LEs weigh 121 grams.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #21 Posted by Paul Brogger on 24 Dec 2011, 9:14 a.m.,
in response to message #20 by Michael de Estrada

Quote:
. . . my several HP 15C LEs weigh 121 grams
Well, do the math: if "several" together weigh 121 grams, each one must be lighter . . .
;-)

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #22 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 24 Dec 2011, 10:05 a.m.,
in response to message #21 by Paul Brogger

Perd�n, pero no entiendo ingl�s.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #23 Posted by Peter Murphy (Livermore) on 24 Dec 2011, 10:31 a.m.,
in response to message #22 by Michael de Estrada

Se trata de la palabra "together," o sea "juntos." Una muy pequena broma.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #24 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 24 Dec 2011, 12:34 p.m.,
in response to message #23 by Peter Murphy (Livermore)

� Que palabra es "pequena" ?

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #25 Posted by Borja on 25 Dec 2011, 2:34 p.m.,
in response to message #24 by Michael de Estrada

Hay uno que dice que sus 15Cs LE pesan 121 gramos. Como dice, en traducci�n literal, "mis varias 15Cs" (my several 15C) se entiende que se refiere al *conjunto*.
As� que, necesariamente, cada una pesar� una fracci�n de esos 121 gramos.
Una bromilla por una confusi�n escribiendo, vamos ;)

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #26 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 25 Dec 2011, 3:38 p.m.,
in response to message #25 by Borja

Yo entiendo perfectamente la bromita. Cuando undo dice que mis 15Cs pesan 121 gramos, se entiende que yo estoy diciendo "cada una". Sin decir que es la cantidad, no es l�gico inferir que ese n�mero es el total de los objetos. Por ejemplo, yo podr�a haber dicho "mis tres 15Cs pesan 121 gramos," y con esto entender que cada uno pesa 40.3 gramos.
Y con esto, le deseo feliz navidad y un pr�spero a�o nuevo. :)

Edited: 25 Dec 2011, 4:57 p.m. after one or more responses were posted

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #27 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 25 Dec 2011, 4:14 p.m.,
in response to message #26 by Michael de Estrada

Quote:
Cuando undo dice que mis 15Cs pesan 121 gramos, se entiende que yo estoy diciendo "cado uno"
�Perfectamente! Las palabras "cada una" est�n impl�citas. Asi es en ingl�s, asi es en espa�ol, asi es en portugu�s. Ali�s, minhas tr�s HP-15Cs, duas HP-15Cs originais e uma HP-15C LE, tamb�m pesam 121 gramas [cada]. N�o as pesei, acredito no que voc�s dizem :-)

Edited: 25 Dec 2011, 4:17 p.m.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #28 Posted by Frank Knight on 25 Dec 2011, 9:31 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Keith Beyer

Quote:
Just got it. Nice. Lighter than the original 15C. Has wiggly f and g keys like the first run. What did they supposedly fix from the first run?
Just ordered a couple from Buy.com tonight for the $99 plus free ship Got a late start on these new editions!

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #29 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 25 Dec 2011, 10:18 p.m.,
in response to message #28 by Frank Knight

I'm curious how you were able to order more than one, since they have a limit of one. Did they change that since the time when you ordered ? Just for fun I tried to put two in my cart and it wouldn't allow it. I've already ordered all I want, so this was just idle curiosity.
Edit: I see they have them on ebaby again, so I assume you bought them there with no limit on quantity.
Anyway, I like to see them undercut the price gougers. Looks like SC has only managed to sell two out of 100 to just one buyer so far at $250.

Edited: 25 Dec 2011, 10:37 p.m.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #30 Posted by Frank Knight on 26 Dec 2011, 4:08 a.m.,
in response to message #29 by Michael de Estrada

Quote:
I'm curious how you were able to order more than one, since they have a limit of one. Did they change that since the time when you ordered ? Just for fun I tried to put two in my cart and it wouldn't allow it. I've already ordered all I want, so this was just idle curiosity.
Edit: I see they have them on ebaby again, so I assume you bought them there with no limit on quantity.
Anyway, I like to see them undercut the price gougers. Looks like SC has only managed to sell two out of 100 to just one buyer so far at $250.

Correct, did an Internet search which brought me to their Ebay page, Buy.com. Ordered and they processed 2, wanted for personal use. I did see later the Buy.com order page with limit 1 and all the scalpers everywhere else with the $149 and $199 prices.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #31 Posted by Keith Beyer on 26 Dec 2011, 10:23 a.m.,
in response to message #30 by Frank Knight

They appear to be out of stock now, but if you order on the HP website and enter the coupon save15hp, you get $15 off. So, with free standard shipping, that's $85 for the calculator plus sales tax, which is what I paid.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #32 Posted by Frank Knight on 26 Dec 2011, 12:49 p.m.,
in response to message #31 by Keith Beyer

Yes, checked there first and were out of stock, but said check back soon, so maybe HP will get more. Before I found the Buy.Com units I emailed HP Customer service to see when they might have more. 2 is my limit though for this model so I am set. I think I have 3 or 4 35S and still have a few HP classics left and newer such as 20S, 48GX, 49, 50 and business models though sold most classics out on ebay from 2003-2005. Have a pile of non-HP left. Since HP charges state tax not much difference for me on price.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #33 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 26 Dec 2011, 1:22 p.m.,
in response to message #32 by Frank Knight

Last time HP said "check back soon," it took 3 months for them to restock. It's like us hispanics when we say ma�ana (tomorrow), it really means someday in our lifetime.

Re: 15C LE just arrived
Message #34 Posted by Frank Knight on 26 Dec 2011, 7:47 p.m.,
in response to message #33 by Michael de Estrada

Quote:
Last time HP said "check back soon," it took 3 months for them to restock. It's like us hispanics when we say ma�ana (tomorrow), it really means someday in our lifetime.
Perhaps they are concentrating on the 42SII or 42S LE! ;+}

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