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Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #1 Posted by Namir on 5 Nov 2011, 5:50 p.m. Hi All, Can anyone tell me (especially our European friends on this site) why do Hungarian sellers on TAS attempt to sell calculators and pocket computers at very high prices????? A Confused American!!! Edited: 5 Nov 2011, 5:51 p.m.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #2 Posted by Michael de Estrada on 5 Nov 2011, 5:52 p.m., in response to message #1 by Namir Because they are hungry.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #3 Posted by Walter B on 5 Nov 2011, 6:23 p.m., in response to message #1 by Namir Why shouldn't they? Teacher, they've learned their lesson well, they are trying to maximize profit.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #4 Posted by Nick Taylor on 5 Nov 2011, 7:23 p.m., in response to message #1 by Namir Can I ask what "TAS" stands for?

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #5 Posted by Roger Blake on 5 Nov 2011, 7:28 p.m., in response to message #4 by Nick Taylor Apparently it's this forum's nickname for Ebay - stands for "That Auction Site". Being in the UK, I initially thought it must be some other US auction site until I ventured to ask here. So you're not the only one to have been puzzled !

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #6 Posted by Walter B on 5 Nov 2011, 7:44 p.m., in response to message #5 by Roger Blake Search for TAS and TOS in the museum archives and you'll find out more ;-)

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #7 Posted by Nick Taylor on 5 Nov 2011, 10:21 p.m., in response to message #6 by Walter B Does "TOS" mean "The Other Site"?

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #8 Posted by Martin Pinckney on 5 Nov 2011, 10:29 p.m., in response to message #7 by Nick Taylor Yes, and you dast not mention it by name, or your posts will be moderated for a few days.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #9 Posted by Raymond Del Tondo on 5 Nov 2011, 10:35 p.m., in response to message #7 by Nick Taylor "The Other Site" or "That Other Site" . Mainly related to HP41 topics. Maintained by Warren Furlow. Four-letter ORG domain;-)

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #10 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 5 Nov 2011, 7:44 p.m., in response to message #5 by Roger Blake This recurring question about TAS meaning surely belongs in the FAQ. I won't bother our host about that, however, as he's apparently very busy lately.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #11 Posted by Don Shepherd on 6 Nov 2011, 12:54 a.m., in response to message #10 by Gerson W. Barbosa Maybe we should just refer to Ebay as Ebay and not confuse people.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #12 Posted by Eric Rechlin on 6 Nov 2011, 9:19 a.m., in response to message #11 by Don Shepherd I agree. I feel it is incredibly irresponsible to new people here when others refer to things in code. Given the history, I can understand the whole "TOS" debacle, but everyone, please stop using "TAS" to refer to eBay. There is no reason this should be a FAQ, because everyone should just stop this immaturity. Eric

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #13 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 6 Nov 2011, 11:22 a.m., in response to message #12 by Eric Rechlin This is not a taboo word to me, but it is to some. Well, perhaps a poll might be held to check if it is an ominous word to some or to most of us here. Gerson.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #14 Posted by Donald Williams on 6 Nov 2011, 2:29 p.m., in response to message #13 by Gerson W. Barbosa I suggest all forum members go back and carefully read the curators "Terms of Use" agreement. Dave clearly wants to discourage ebay discussions on this forum. If you have been around very long then you know how disruptive these discussions have become in the past. Still some members insist on ignoring this simple request and attempt to conceal their disrespect by making reference to TAS rather than ebay. Sad.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #15 Posted by Don Shepherd on 6 Nov 2011, 3:00 p.m., in response to message #14 by Donald Williams Donald, I read the Terms of Use and don't see any prohibition about discussing Ebay and auction sites. Indeed, Dave says discussions about them may come up from time to time. What Dave does say is that if you refer to a specific Ebay auction, you need to list your Ebay ID in your post; it seems that that frequently doesn't happen, so that would be a violation. This thread is not about a specific auction, it is just a general question that Namir has and I believe it is appropriate and not in violation of the Terms of Use.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #16 Posted by Donald Williams on 6 Nov 2011, 4:16 p.m., in response to message #15 by Don Shepherd I don't think I used the term prohibited. I used the term discouraged. Otherwise, I agree with all points of your response. I do not believe this particular thread violates those terms. No offense intended. IIRC the term "TAS" came into existence following the the additional paragraph added to the terms of use concerning ebay discussions. I think forum members originally used this term in jest, and it has persisted since. I do confess however, IMOHO if all ebay discussions were prohibited it would be no great loss.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #17 Posted by Maximilian Hohmann on 6 Nov 2011, 4:49 p.m., in response to message #16 by Donald Williams Hello! Quote: I do confess however, IMOHO if all ebay discussions were prohibited it would be no great loss. For me, eBay is about the only remaining source for finding collectible calculators. HP and others. The have disappeared from flea markets and second hand stores long ago, at least in my part of the world. And I doubt that it is much different elsewhere. So where would be a better place for discussions about this main source of historic calculators if not in the discussion forum of a calculator museum? And everybody who read "1984" knows that it doesn't help to avoid certain terms or even to rename them. Therefore I will call eBay eBay as long as it calls itself eBay. Anywhere. Regards, max Edited: 6 Nov 2011, 4:50 p.m.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #18 Posted by Donald Williams on 6 Nov 2011, 5:26 p.m., in response to message #17 by Maximilian Hohmann "So where would be a better place for discussions about this main source of historic calculators if not in the discussion forum of a calculator museum?" I think it is discouraged because this forum is so "ripe" for commercial abuse. In the past eBay sellers have focused on this "primo" site to show case their auctions, and then later, began a "flame war" campaign to discredit one another. It became so contentious and ridiculous that Dave was forced to step in and personally censor posts and eventually instigate some changes to the forum. Hence the long running taboo over mentioning eBay and the use of the pseudonym "TAS". I think the abuse still exists at a much lower level,and those individuals will be more than willing to ramp it back up given the opportunity.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #19 Posted by Duane Hess on 6 Nov 2011, 9:00 p.m., in response to message #17 by Maximilian Hohmann I can sympathize with that. Still finding units at garage sales, flea markets, 2nd hand would be wonderful.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #20 Posted by Don Shepherd on 6 Nov 2011, 6:53 p.m., in response to message #16 by Donald Williams No offense taken, Donald. I personally don't find the Ebay discussions in this forum very useful either. I buy things on Ebay now and then, and I've never had a bad experience, but I'm aware there are crooks out there so you have to be careful. Dave is a very good moderator and he will not ban discussions here unless they are extremely offensive to a large number of people--and I don't think I've ever seen that happen. There are some discussions I don't find very interesting, but I'm learning just to pass them over in the list.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #21 Posted by Marcus von Cube, Germany on 6 Nov 2011, 1:51 a.m., in response to message #1 by Namir You might ask Viktor Toth from rskey.org. Is is a native Hungarian if I'm not mistaken.

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #22 Posted by George Litauszky on 6 Nov 2011, 3:01 p.m., in response to message #1 by Namir Quote: Hi All, Can anyone tell me (especially our European friends on this site) why do Hungarian sellers on TAS attempt to sell calculators and pocket computers at very high prices????? A Confused American!!! Hello, IMHO because the 400 USD HP 15C American prices. An angry Hungarian buyer. ;)

Re: Question about Hungarian Sellers on TAS Message #23 Posted by Bart (UK) on 7 Nov 2011, 5:28 a.m., in response to message #1 by Namir There is a Hungarian equivalent to Cobubba that is to Sharp as Cobubba is to HP. There is the occasional low starting price auction, but admittedly few. I generally ignore auctions if I see Country is Hungary, Italy or any from the far east. Personaly I think they see the rest of Europe & US as "people to make lots of money from". Harsh? maybe, but the result of my observation that most of them list calculators with high starting prices/BIN (I don't mind bidding on items with reasonable starting prices, but not several times what it normally sells for).

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