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HP 9845A Printer Problem
Message #1 Posted by Mike on 8 Aug 2010, 7:39 p.m.

I think I know the answer to this but I have to ask anyway.

I have a nice HP 9845A, with dual tape drives and built in printer. It's had a memory upgrade to 64K. Everything works great, after I repaired the tape capstans, except the printer. It's like a 9825 on steroids. ;)

It works fine except there are some pixels missing. Is there any way to repair these, short of finding a parted out 9845? Is this printer used in other printers or computers? I'd like to find a replacement.

This is what the print looks like:

The rest of the 80 columns look fine. Only in a few places at the beginning is it missing pixels.

Is this problem likely in the print head, or might it be in the electronics, that might allow me to repair it?

Edited: 8 Aug 2010, 7:41 p.m.

Re: HP 9845A Printer Problem
Message #2 Posted by Tony Duell on 10 Aug 2010, 4:46 a.m.,
in response to message #1 by Mike

I am going to assuem that the 9845A printer is very similar to the one used in the 9845B. I have some knowledge of the latter machine.

The printhead/mechanism is used in another HP product (at least) -- the HP9876A thermal printer. But I suspect those are as rare as 9845s now.

Anyway, the printhead is actually quite complicated. It consists of a 560 bit shift register driving the 560 thermal print elements. The shift register/drivers are contained in 7 hybrid circuits (80 bits each) mounted inside the printhead, they are connected to the thermal elements and to a simple PCB which joins the shift registers together by connectors similar to those used in the original HP41.

On the Australian museum site, you can get the 9876 service manual, and 'my' schematics of the 9845B. That may be a start as to how things work.

The printhead can be dismantled, but you have to go carefully. Remove the printer chassis from the machine, then remove the complete printhead assembly. Hold it with the front surface down, and make sure nothing is pressing on the electrolytic capacitors on the front of the printhead. Don't bother to remove the heatsinks, but carefully remove the screws on what is now the top face of the printhead. Slacken them a bit at a time, in a diagonal pattern, like taking the cylinder head off a car engine. With the screws out, lift off the metal block.

You can now see the 7 hybrids. Take them out carefully, keep them in order. They are all the same, actually, but it will help debugging if you put them back in the same place. Take out all the connector strips (there are 2 lengths -- 7 of one type and 28 of the other -- and HP say never to touch them with your fingers. That may be going a bit far, but I use tweezers anyway..). Now lift off the plastic frame that holds the connectors.

You can test the printhead elemenets using an ohmmeter between the printhead common connection (on the PCB) and each of the 560 pads that connect to the hybrids. My notes suggest that each element should read 110 ohms or so. If any are open, you need a new printhead (or at least the front block/thermal element part).

Clean all the pads and put it back together, try again. If it works, it was just bad contacts. If not and the defective columns are in the same places, take it apart again, take out the hybrid at one end, move the others along one position and put the removed one back at the other end. Reassemble and try again. If the bad columns have moved, then you have a defective hybrid. The only source is another printhead, of course, but you could move it to the right hand end, which would let you print short lines correctly.

If the defective columns have moved after the first reassembly, it sounds like bad connectors. Try cleaning them more carefully.

Re: HP 9845A Printer Problem
Message #3 Posted by Mike on 10 Aug 2010, 12:07 p.m.,
in response to message #2 by Tony Duell

Thanks, I have a copy of the 9845B schematic that you reverse engineered. :-)

I hope it's just a contact but if it's not, I will move the first hybrid to the last position. Unfortunately, it looks like the problem area spans two hybrid positions. The first two. That is the area where most of the printing might take place, so it might just be bad hybrids. In any case, moving the first 2 to the last two positions is preferable to where they are now.

I will be looking for another trashed 9845 or other printer, when I can come across one. It's kind of a shame because the 9845A is very nice condition. No mold on monitor, almost no cosmetic conditions and tape drives both work great (now that I have repaired the capstans).

Another question

It is marked 9845A on the keyboard cover. But it has 64K RAM, a 2nd tape drive, and a built in printer. It seems to be configured as the 9845S. Did the "S" version have that designation on the keyboard cover (i.e. 9845S) or was it still a 9845A, with upgrades (options)?

I think I just got lucky on my HP-9845A
Message #4 Posted by Mike on 12 Aug 2010, 1:16 p.m.,
in response to message #2 by Tony Duell

I found someone selling an HP 9845B, that was missing the monitor, for $100. I bought it and hopefully, I'll be able to get one working printer between the two of these.

At a very minimum, I can restore the drives and sell the remainder for parts or rebuild and recoup that cost and have a 100% working 9845B.

hmmmm... wonder which would be better to restore? I can probably get either working, assuming a 9845A monitor work on a 9845B. Anyone know?

I have heard the 9845A is more reliable and there are probably fewer of those around. Something to think about.

Edited: 12 Aug 2010, 1:17 p.m.

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