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db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #1 Posted by Joerg Woerner on 5 Mar 2010, 11:32 p.m. Dennis, This is the ENTER key you were looking for: Have a great weekend and some sleeplesss nights! Regards, Joerg

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #2 Posted by Han on 6 Mar 2010, 12:01 a.m., in response to message #1 by Joerg Woerner If this is a prototype of the next version of the nSpire, it is unfortunate that they did not do much to improve the keyboard. The current nSpires have buttons that are way too tiny (letter keys) and cluttered (letter keys in between normal buttons). I see that they have not done much in terms of improving the key size for letters. There is something just... "nice" about have those extra buttons for common functions like SIN, COS, TAN, etc...

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #3 Posted by Pal G. on 6 Mar 2010, 1:23 a.m., in response to message #2 by Han It looks like a fluke.. Pun intended.

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #4 Posted by Hal Bitton in Boise on 6 Mar 2010, 3:56 a.m., in response to message #3 by Pal G. Quote: It looks like a fluke.. I agree...where do you plug the leads in? 8D

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #5 Posted by Walter B on 6 Mar 2010, 3:08 a.m., in response to message #1 by Joerg Woerner Hallo Jörg, das Tastenfeld wirkt deutlich aufgeräumter als in der vorherigen Version. Die Alphatasten sehen erstmals brauchbar aus. Aber es hat immer noch zu viele Minitasten auf engem Raum. Vernünftige Größen und Abstände haben eigentlich nur die Ziffern und die Tasten darüber. Und es sieht wirklich aus wie ein Fluke. Beste Grüße aus dem alten Europa (heute wieder eingeschneit) Walter (For our English-only readers: Keyboard looks tidier, but still crammed. And the device in total really looks like Fluke.)

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #6 Posted by Bart (UK) on 6 Mar 2010, 5:41 a.m., in response to message #5 by Walter B Wow, all that German translates to 2 short English sentences ;). PS Google Translate does quite a good job of German -> English (I think). Quote: And the device in total really looks like Fluke. Perhaps meant to be as it's possibly aimed for purchase by schools only (re text under keypad) - to dissuade theft (who'd want to own something that looked like THAT. :) ) Then again for those in T&M, it would fit in perfectly with the other test equipment. Maybe even pursuade the boss to pay for it - with datalogging devices of course.

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #7 Posted by Nigel J Dowrick on 6 Mar 2010, 6:02 a.m., in response to message #6 by Bart (UK) I'm guessing it's yellow because it's a school property model - these are often made yellow to make stealing them more difficult. I think that the keyboard is an improvement: having the two sets of buttons in different places will at least make the main buttons easier to press without pressing the tiny ones. The display looks to be a lot higher contrast than the present model, too. I wonder if there are any plans to make this new model properly programmable? Nigel

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #8 Posted by Nigel J Dowrick on 6 Mar 2010, 6:04 a.m., in response to message #7 by Nigel J Dowrick Sorry about echoing the previous poster's comments about school property - I should have read the post first! Nigel

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #9 Posted by Walter B on 6 Mar 2010, 6:17 a.m., in response to message #6 by Bart (UK) Quote: Wow, all that German translates to 2 short English sentences That's the famous "loss in translation", you know d;-)

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #10 Posted by Joerg Woerner on 7 Mar 2010, 7:52 p.m., in response to message #5 by Walter B Walter, We can't complain about the snow at the east coast - it accummulated 100 inches this season so far ;-)) Expect the new TI-NSpire in a few weeks and you'll love it! It sports a TOUCHPAD!!! Regards, Joerg

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #11 Posted by Namir on 8 Mar 2010, 7:58 a.m., in response to message #10 by Joerg Woerner Wow Joerg .... there is a NEW TI-NSPIRE??????????? The TI web site is announcing the new vaersion. Very nice!! I did not get the email!!! Namir Edited: 8 Mar 2010, 9:41 a.m.

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #12 Posted by Don Shepherd on 6 Mar 2010, 8:09 a.m., in response to message #1 by Joerg Woerner Well, this is an interesting development. If the display on this new unit really looks as sharp and clear as that pictured, with that degree of resolution, that would be great because the display on the original unit was really hard to discern; this is crystal clear. But the bigger item of interest is the icons at the bottom of the screen, which lead me to believe that this is a touch screen, with a stylus maybe. That would be a huge improvement. If it still has a BASIC-like programming language but with an added ability to enter data DURING program execution (which the original lacked, significantly), I'm getting one!

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #13 Posted by Walter B on 6 Mar 2010, 8:23 a.m., in response to message #12 by Don Shepherd Quote: If the display on this new unit really looks as sharp and clear as that pictured, with that degree of resolution, that would be great because the display on the original unit was really hard to discern; this is crystal clear. IMHO this picture is pure artwork only. Maybe it's based on a photograph, but nothing more. Quote: But the bigger item of interest is the icons at the bottom of the screen, which lead me to believe that this is a touch screen, with a stylus maybe. That would be a huge improvement. Well, it says "TI-Nspire Touchpad", so let's assume this means something d;-)

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #14 Posted by Don Shepherd on 6 Mar 2010, 9:35 a.m., in response to message #13 by Walter B Well, this kind of explains what's new. You may be right about the screen being based on a picture, I don't know, the release notes don't say anything about a much more readable screen, so I assume that the resolution and clarity of the display is unchanged. If true, that is unfortunate. There is no stylus or touchscreen, but the "touchpad" makes it somewhat easier to navigate on the screen; still, a stylus and real touchscreen would have been a huge improvement. On the plus side, the programming language now includes a command to prompt for an input during program execution. This is good. But unless the screen is much more readable, I don't think I'll upgrade yet.

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #15 Posted by Tim Wessman on 7 Mar 2010, 8:34 p.m., in response to message #14 by Don Shepherd I thought that it looked much more like this personally. . .

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #16 Posted by db (martinez, ca.) on 7 Mar 2010, 9:40 p.m., in response to message #15 by Tim Wessman Tim; That Ranger in the picture isn't a bad unit, except that it's bigger and heavier than the 50g, saddled with a mistake generating touch screen and a proprietary battery pack, not programmed in RPL, and sold as the only platform for surveying software that "passes the gee wizz test but fails the so what test". It's got good keys though. Did you or John ever consider porting your 48-50 stuff onto the Ranger too?

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #17 Posted by Han on 7 Mar 2010, 9:04 p.m., in response to message #1 by Joerg Woerner I actually got to play with one of these today. My sister got back from the T3 conference in Atlanta (TI's international conference). Anyway, some cool things about this unit: 1) The keyboard is modular -- you can remove it and presumably in the future they will have several types of keyboards that change be interchanged with the one you see. 2) The "touch" aspect has to do with the "arrow" key (center top of photo). The big square button actually is like a mousepad/touchpad; you can also use the square as a set of big arrow keys too. 3) TI plans to have rechargeable battery packs for this unit. 4) The screen is in fact as crisp as you see in the photo. 5) Navigation is still a pain in the rear -- menu systems only work well when you have a REAL mouse (though the touchpad is a nice upgrade). However, imagine going through 4 levels of menus just to get to your basic commands... 6) I could see these things being used for data collection in the near future... I'll try to post photos later this week. The model I played with was black and dark grey.

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #18 Posted by Joerg Woerner on 7 Mar 2010, 9:24 p.m., in response to message #17 by Han Han, Please drop me a line.. Regards, Joerg joerg@datamath.org

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #19 Posted by Don Shepherd on 7 Mar 2010, 9:34 p.m., in response to message #17 by Han This is what the new OS2 looks like on an older CAS unit. With a strong light shining directly on the screen, it's not too bad. But without a strong direct light, it's still hard to discern. I hope the screen characteristics of the new touchpad unit, as you say, overcome this problem. The biggie in OS2, from a programming point of view, is commands for getting user input while a program is running: "Text" displays a dialog box; "Request" lets the user enter a numeric value for a variable; and RequestStr gets string input. The NSpire programming language is now a real programming language. The dialog boxes, however, are pretty small and tough to read.

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #20 Posted by Nigel J Dowrick on 8 Mar 2010, 4:32 a.m., in response to message #19 by Don Shepherd Information on the new nspire models and the enhancements in OS2 is now available on the TI website. It all looks very good - I shall be upgrading my old nspire (non-CAS) as soon as I can! It's nice to see new calculator hardware and software still being actively developed in an imaginative way, even if the results are not exactly what everyone would like! Good for TI! (ducks) Nigel

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #21 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 8 Mar 2010, 11:54 p.m., in response to message #20 by Nigel J Dowrick Hmmm... time for a HP 51G?

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #22 Posted by Walter B on 9 Mar 2010, 12:54 a.m., in response to message #21 by Eddie W. Shore Please line up - the HP 43S is first in queue :-)

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #23 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 9 Mar 2010, 1:07 a.m., in response to message #20 by Nigel J Dowrick Regarding the nSpire: I am encouraged by the new Scratchpad and the added graphing and application capabilities.

Re: db: Double wide ENTER key spotted in the wild Message #24 Posted by Marcus von Cube, Germany on 11 Mar 2010, 10:17 a.m., in response to message #23 by Eddie W. Shore OS 2 can be downloaded to the older devices. I've just done it with my Nspire CAS. :)

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