HP Forum Archive 19

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HHC2009 Change of venue Message #1 Posted by BruceH on 27 June 2009, 9:36 a.m. Joe Horn posted the following on comp.sys.hp48 but I don't see any similar message here. Quote: Due to unforeseen circumstances out of our control, the location of HHC 2009 must change. HP has informed us that the fate of the Vancouver facility is up in the air and they had to back out on allowing us to use the conference space there -- but they offered Fort Collins, Colorado, as an alternative -- so we have no choice but to move the conference. Make no travel or hotel reservations until the details appear on the HHC 2009 website: http://holyjoe.net/hhc2009/description.htm -Joe-

Move it to Raddison Hotel, San Jose!!! Message #2 Posted by Namir on 27 June 2009, 2:01 p.m., in response to message #1 by BruceH That's a real bummer! I say let's move it to San Joe's Radisson hotel, like we used to hae. HP has dropped he ball. Namir Edited: 27 June 2009, 2:25 p.m.

Re: Move it to Raddison Hotel, San Jose!!! Message #3 Posted by Howard Owen on 27 June 2009, 7:00 p.m., in response to message #2 by Namir That has my vote, since I live in San Mateo. What about Palo Alto? Regards, Howard. Edited: 27 June 2009, 7:02 p.m.

Fort Collins... Message #4 Posted by Gene Wright on 27 June 2009, 7:20 p.m., in response to message #3 by Howard Owen HP has invited us to their Fort Collins campus. Having HP participate is VERY important. That's why we've had the conferences where we have the last several years. Fort Collins it is! Gene

Re: Fort Collins... Message #5 Posted by Howard Owen on 27 June 2009, 8:42 p.m., in response to message #4 by Gene Wright Well, I can live with that. I hope it ends up back in the Bay Area one of these years. Corporate is in Palo Alto, after all. Regards, Howard

Re: Fort Collins... Message #6 Posted by Bruce Bergman on 28 June 2009, 12:35 a.m., in response to message #4 by Gene Wright Although I am FINE with the San Jose option, has anyone (either on the board or at HP) considered San Diego? I don't imagine this campus is going away any time. [ In light of full disclosure, I am biased towards San Diego because I like it and I live here... :-) ] thanks, bruce

Re: Fort Collins... Message #7 Posted by Eddie W. Shore on 1 July 2009, 8:17 a.m., in response to message #6 by Bruce Bergman Put me in as another vote for San Diego. I live in Los Angeles.

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue Message #8 Posted by Karl Schneider on 27 June 2009, 6:07 p.m., in response to message #1 by BruceH Quote: Due to unforeseen circumstances out of our control, the location of HHC 2009 must change. HP has informed us that the fate of the Vancouver facility is up in the air... Here's the rest of the story -- the banner headline on one of my morning papers: Shin-Etsu buys H-P Vancouver campus -- KS

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue Message #9 Posted by Allen on 27 June 2009, 8:41 p.m., in response to message #8 by Karl Schneider I like Ft. Collins... hopefully I can change my tickets without much penalty (using frequent flyer miles). It does have a good benefit of being more 'central' in the USA. If you're not flying into Ft. Collins directly, I suggest Denver Airport and driving. It's a nice ride, and the schedules into Denver from anywhere in the country are much, MUCH better than Portland.

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue Message #10 Posted by Tim Wessman on 27 June 2009, 9:09 p.m., in response to message #9 by Allen I live in and work in Ft Collins (at least I will be back there 1 mo from now). Fly into denver. You could possibly fly into the loveland airport (I think they still have a few commercial flights still), but the denver airport is a 40 min shuttle ride for 30$. TW

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue (Ft. Collins, CO) Message #11 Posted by Karl Schneider on 27 June 2009, 11:00 p.m., in response to message #9 by Allen Quote: ... the schedules into Denver from anywhere in the country are much, MUCH better than Portland. That's 'cuz Denver International Airport (DIA) is a hub, while Portland International Airport (PDX) isn't. Some controversy ensued when DIA replaced Stapleton in the 1990's. Some critics asserted that, with direct flights increasing in poularity, Denver had built the airport of the 1980's. It is a fairly long drive east from downtown Denver to DIA. I almost missed a flight in 1996, not taking that fully into account. A connection to HP calculators: The seller of the pristine HP-10C I bought a few years ago claimed to have used it in his work designing DIA. BTW: A conference in Fort Collins perhaps ought to include an optional group side trip to WWV, if possible. -- KS Edited: 27 June 2009, 11:02 p.m.

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue (Ft. Collins, CO) Message #12 Posted by Howard Owen on 27 June 2009, 11:55 p.m., in response to message #11 by Karl Schneider Now that is a nerdy destination! :) I wonder how many things still rely on the broadcast time ticks, given NTP and cell networks? Offshore applications come to mind. Regards, Howard

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue (Ft. Collins, CO) Message #13 Posted by Katie Wasserman on 28 June 2009, 1:53 a.m., in response to message #12 by Howard Owen Quote: I wonder how many things still rely on the broadcast time ticks, given NTP and cell networks? Probably not a whole lot of people listen to WWV these days, nerdy hams like some of us here excepted. But there are a zillion "atomic" clocks, watches, weather stations, etc. that get time from WWVB which is also broadcast from the same location. I would love to get a tour of the NIST site in Fort Collins. While their web site has an near infinite amount of information about WWV/WWVH/WWVB and the clocks they use, there's no indication that they give tours of the place. Does anyone here know if they do? -Katie

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue (Ft. Collins, CO) Message #14 Posted by Ren on 2 July 2009, 10:48 a.m., in response to message #13 by Katie Wasserman Quote: I would love to get a tour of the NIST site in Fort Collins. While their web site has an near infinite amount of information about WWV/WWVH/WWVB and the clocks they use, there's no indication that they give tours of the place. Does anyone here know if they do? -Katie The NIST Atomic clock is in Boulder! about 45 miles SW of Ft. Collins. I don't recall how they get the signal from Boulder to WWV or how they compensate propagation delays, etc. When I visited NIST in the late '90's they had a huge quartz crystal in the lobby (about 90cm tall). Down the hall you could see the two cesium clocks and a few predecessors (including a pendulum clock, IIRC). Fool Disclosure: I have a friend that works for a former HP entity in Ft. Collins.

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue (Ft. Collins, CO) Message #15 Posted by Dave Shaffer (Arizona) on 28 June 2009, 1:44 p.m., in response to message #12 by Howard Owen Folks who need good time (like us VLBI radio astronomers - we can tell the relative time between sites AFTER an experiment to the picosecond level (1e-12), and prefer sub-microsecond a priori time) all use GPS these days. It delivers tens of nanosecond time accuracy with no effort.

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue (Ft. Collins, CO) Message #16 Posted by Karl Schneider on 28 June 2009, 4:50 p.m., in response to message #12 by Howard Owen Quote: Now that (NIST/WWV in Fort Collins) is a nerdy destination! :) Regarding WWV: In the northwestern part of the US during the early 1980's, I was able to hear the 5.0-MHz WWV/WWVH broadcast at night on a Sanyo shortwave, when the stations belonged to the National Bureau of Standards. Also easy to get was Radio Moscow and Voice of America. That radio is no longer working properly, but my recently-acquired Zenith Trans-Oceanic can receive WWV at 5 MHz. With major political changes, though, the others are hard to find now... -- KS Edited: 8 July 2009, 10:27 p.m. after one or more responses were posted

Hello Karl! Message #17 Posted by Geoff Quickfall on 28 June 2009, 5:49 p.m., in response to message #16 by Karl Schneider Yes the Zenith Oceanic is great. Radio Havana Cuba, Radio Nederlands in Hilversum (sp?) as well as Fort Collins and Hawaii, NRC time signals in Ottawa. Lots of DXing in the old days. Most aircraft today (10 years or older) without GPS will have their clocks updated by the master clock and a time signal. Usually we use WWV or WWVB in Hawaii. Even with the GPS and SAT NAV systems today I always do a time check in case of hidden software updating problems. Cheers, and happy DXing... Geoff P.S. I was going to bring down in the station wagon a whole bunch of free vintage calculators to Vancouver, Wa. but now that I have to fly into Denver and rent a car it looks like they will be left at home. Oh well!!!! (just kidding about the free vintage HP calculators)!!!!!

Hi, Geoff! Message #18 Posted by Karl Schneider on 30 June 2009, 1:11 a.m., in response to message #17 by Geoff Quickfall Quote: Cheers, and happy DXing... I have to admit, I wouldn't try serious shortwave DX'ing on the third-generation Royal D7000 unless I connected a 'real' antenna to its terminals -- although the built-in whip is fairly good. AM and FM reception are excellent. Not sure if I'll be attending this year with the change of venue from Vancouver, USA. I had a 2.5-hour direct flight and family in San Diego (2007); Corvallis (2008) was only a several-hour drive away; Vancouver is home. Fort Collins? Hmm... -- KS

Re: HHC2009 Change of venue Message #19 Posted by Paul Brogger on 2 July 2009, 1:42 p.m., in response to message #1 by BruceH Bummer. -- from Oly, WA area.

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