HP Forum Archive 18

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copyright Message #1 Posted by Charles Oxford on 26 Nov 2008, 2:59 p.m. I have a Sparcom mechanical engineering card in my SX48 but have no manual. Would it violate copyright if someone sent me a copy?

Re: copyright Message #2 Posted by V-PN on 26 Nov 2008, 3:39 p.m., in response to message #1 by Charles Oxford Loan the manual and copy it yourself Edited: 26 Nov 2008, 3:40 p.m.

Re: copyright Message #3 Posted by Allen on 26 Nov 2008, 7:06 p.m., in response to message #1 by Charles Oxford Any reason why you can't just buy one or the other?

Re: copyright Message #4 Posted by Charles Oxford on 26 Nov 2008, 10:20 p.m., in response to message #3 by Allen ignorance, perhaps? ;-) thanks for the urls.

Re: copyright Message #5 Posted by Charles Oxford on 26 Nov 2008, 10:22 p.m., in response to message #3 by Allen This still doesn't answer my question.

Re: copyright Message #6 Posted by V-PN on 27 Nov 2008, 3:51 a.m., in response to message #5 by Charles Oxford Depends on the country You could ask from the company who owns the copywright. If the software is a module, I can't see why not?

Re: copyright Message #7 Posted by Charles Oxford on 6 Dec 2008, 2:27 a.m., in response to message #3 by Allen which one do i need?

Re: copyright Message #8 Posted by Randy on 27 Nov 2008, 7:22 a.m., in response to message #1 by Charles Oxford Quote: Would it violate copyright if someone sent me a copy? In a word, yes.

Re: copyright Message #9 Posted by Charles Oxford on 28 Nov 2008, 3:48 p.m., in response to message #8 by Randy So it's not ok to have a copy of the manual, only an original?

Re: copyright Message #10 Posted by Walter B on 28 Nov 2008, 4:22 p.m., in response to message #9 by Charles Oxford Who asks a lot of questions gets a lot of answers (old German saying). HTH Walter

Re: copyright Message #11 Posted by Charles Oxford on 28 Nov 2008, 5:24 p.m., in response to message #10 by Walter B This is true, but of the four answers I got three were not to my question but instead suggested work arounds.

Re: copyright Message #12 Posted by Martin Pinckney on 28 Nov 2008, 10:52 p.m., in response to message #9 by Charles Oxford Quote: So it's not OK to have a copy of the manual, only an original? If you own the original, in most cases it is OK to have and use a copy of it. The violation comes in when you sell or even give a copy to someone else. In that case you are depriving the copyright holder of his just compensation for copying the material to which he owns intellectual property rights.

Re: copyright Message #13 Posted by V-PN on 29 Nov 2008, 2:35 a.m., in response to message #12 by Martin Pinckney exactly that's why he needs to a) contact the company for a new nice manual b) loan a manual and copy it himself

Re: copyright Message #14 Posted by Dan Grelinger on 3 Dec 2008, 1:25 p.m., in response to message #13 by V-PN Borrowing a manual and copying it for one's own use is also a violation of copyright law in the U.S. The only legal copying of copyright protected works is by the valid licensee (someone who legally purchased the material), for his own purposes (generally done to have a backup copy). Many people rationalize differently, especially when the material is not available for legal purchase anywhere. They make the argument that they cannot deprive the copyright owner of the benefits of his work, if he has provided no feasible way to be compensated. However, in this case, it appears that it is possible to purchase a legal copy, thereby ethically compensating the owner of the copyright for their work. Dan

Re: copyright Message #15 Posted by V-PN on 3 Dec 2008, 10:07 p.m., in response to message #14 by Dan Grelinger If the person in question has - as I understand this is the case here - purchased a legal copy, but has misplaced the manual then he does no wrong by making himself a copy. OK?

Re: copyright Message #16 Posted by Dan Grelinger on 4 Dec 2008, 10:35 a.m., in response to message #15 by V-PN You are assuming something that was never stated. The original poster never said he purchased an original manual. Only that he has the module. If he purchased the module without a manual, he has no legal copy, and no legal right to make a copy for himself. Whoever kept the original manual retained the original license for the manual, and did not deliver it with the module. Again, if there was no way to buy a legal copy of the manual, many people will rationalize that there is no harm in making a copy of something that cannot be purchased. But when the legal copies of the manual are available for purchase, it is arguably unethical to avoid the cost of a legal copy by making an illegal one. Dan

Re: copyright Message #17 Posted by V-PN on 4 Dec 2008, 3:29 p.m., in response to message #16 by Dan Grelinger I agree, Dan.

Re: copyright Message #18 Posted by Charles Oxford on 12 Dec 2008, 10:41 p.m., in response to message #1 by Charles Oxford I still don't know any more about copyrights but thanks for the opimions. Charlie O.

Re: copyright Message #19 Posted by Walter B on 13 Dec 2008, 3:29 a.m., in response to message #18 by Charles Oxford Charles, obviously you didn't grasp the meaning of my earlier post yet. Come on. HTH Walter

Re: copyright Message #20 Posted by Norris on 13 Dec 2008, 5:36 p.m., in response to message #18 by Charles Oxford I've never used the Sparcom cards, but I understand that Sparcom later became daVinci, and that they ported their software to the TI-89. TI still provides the daVinci ME*Pro software, and a user's manual, as a free download to TI-89 users. I don't know how similar it is to the old Sparcom software for the HP-48SX, or how applicable the TI manual might be, but it could be worth a look. Edited: 13 Dec 2008, 5:38 p.m.

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