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Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #1 Posted by Slawomir Bucki on 23 Apr 2008, 12:41 p.m.

I received my new HP-35S yesterday and have been playing with it for a couple of hours. I'm an experienced HP user and fan (owned an HP34C, HP-10C, HP-11C, HP-41CV, HP-42S, HP-32SII, HP-33S).

I "discovered" an interesting feature. Let me use an example to illustrate my point. When in ALG mode you can evaluate the sine of a angle by pressing [SIN], keying-in the argument, and pressing [ENTER], as shown below:

keystroke [SIN] 30 [ENTER]

display SIN() SIN(30) 0.5000

So far, so good. Now, I realized that by using the cursor keys and the back-arrow key [<--] I can not only delete / correct the argument, but also individual characters from the function label. This made me think and I tried this:

keystroke [RCL] [S] [RCL] [I] [RCL] [N] [()] 30 [ENTER]

display S_ SI_ SIN_ SIN() SIN(30) 0.5000

BINGO !!! The calculator does not only use the function keys to "understand" user's instructions, it can also "read" the instructions if written character-by-character using the same syntax as the function key "shortcut"! Has anybody noted this feature?

Now, this opens a completely new possibility. Could there be any "hidden" functions in the calculator's operating system that are not accessible directly from the keyboard (because they lack a dedicated key), but that can be called up by typing them letter-by-letter?

Considering this, it would be nice if the HP-35S had an [ALPHA] mode like the old HP-41C to allow more efficient typing, as well as alphanumeric messages (without the cumbersome EQN / flag 10 approach).

S. Bucki

      
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #2 Posted by Stefan Vorkoetter on 23 Apr 2008, 1:02 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Slawomir Bucki

Yes, I was aware of this. In ALG mode, pressing a function key just types the name of the function into the input. Pressing SIN or pressing RCL S, RCL I, RCL N, (), is completely equivalent. The calculator parses the input only when you press ENTER, and how the input got to be the way it is doesn't matter.

You can also use this fact in reverse to input characters into a SF10/EQN message. Press a key that inputs a function name containing the character you want, and then deleting the unwanted characters. This is handy for characters that can't be entered individually (like lowercase letters).

Stefan

            
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #3 Posted by Gene Wright on 23 Apr 2008, 3:11 p.m.,
in response to message #2 by Stefan Vorkoetter

There are no hidden functions in the HP 35s.

Closest you can come to these are the REGX, etc. stack functions...but since these are described in the learning modules (and manual I think), they aren't exactly hidden.

Sorry!

                  
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #4 Posted by designnut on 23 Apr 2008, 4:03 p.m.,
in response to message #3 by Gene Wright

If you want to diaplay symbols like the right arrow select a conversion function and delete the unwanted part. Courtesy of JeffO Sam

                  
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #5 Posted by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr. on 23 Apr 2008, 9:41 p.m.,
in response to message #3 by Gene Wright

Gene:

Quote:
There are no hidden functions in the HP 35s.
That reminds me of the time when TI had not been entirely happy with the hidden functions found in the TI-59. The manual for the TI-66 contained the folllowing statement
Quote:
There are no HIR commands or other hidden features on the TI-66 that you may have accessed on the TI-58/58C/59 through illegal key sequences.
We went ahead and found some anyway.
Quote:
Closest you can come to these are the REGX, etc. stack functions...but since these are described in the learning modules (and manual I think), they aren't exactly hidden.
The REG functions are described back in the appendices on page B-7 of the manual. You supposedly could find them through the Table of Contents if only you knew that "Accessing Stack Register Contents" is what you wanted. Unfortunately, the REG functions are not included in the Operations Index in Appendix G.

Palmer

                        
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #6 Posted by DaveJ on 23 Apr 2008, 10:36 p.m.,
in response to message #5 by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr.

Sounds like I'm going to have to add some hidden features into my uWatch, people seem to enjoy finding this stuff. It already gives you an unusual (deliberate) response when you take the square root of a negative number...

Having the source code available might take away the thrill of the hunt though.

Dave.

                        
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #7 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 24 Apr 2008, 2:09 a.m.,
in response to message #5 by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr.

Hi, Palmer:

Palmer posted:

    "We went ahead and found some anyway."

      There are no hidden functions in the HP 35s.

      What part of "no" don't you understand ? Or are you implying Gene's purposefully lying to fellow fans ? Gene's not a company, but an honest, fully knowledgeable individual. If he says "There are no hidden functions in the HP 35s" then there are no hidden functions in the HP 35s, period.

Best regards from V.

Edited: 24 Apr 2008, 2:11 a.m.

                              
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #8 Posted by Werner on 24 Apr 2008, 5:11 a.m.,
in response to message #7 by Valentin Albillo

.. and if Palmer says that he nonetheless found some in the TI-66, then that, too, is fact. Period.

Cheers, Werner

                              
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #9 Posted by George Bailey (Bedford Falls) on 24 Apr 2008, 6:39 a.m.,
in response to message #7 by Valentin Albillo

Quote:
If he says "There are no hidden functions in the HP 35s" then there are no hidden functions in the HP 35s, period.[/ul]

If he's not a company (HP in this case) and not offically speaking for a company, being without internal HP knowledge - how can he be so sure?? And how can you be so sure? ;-)

                                    
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #10 Posted by reth on 24 Apr 2008, 8:26 a.m.,
in response to message #9 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

by some sort of deduction or implication I guess;
:) good one
cheers, reth

                                    
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #11 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 24 Apr 2008, 9:29 a.m.,
in response to message #9 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

Hi, George:

George posted (the highlighting is mine):

    "If he's not a company (HP in this case) and not offically speaking for a company, being without internal HP knowledge - how can he be so sure??"

      You're using a conditional (" If ") which depends on a compound condition being true. It isn't.

Best regards from V.

                                          
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #12 Posted by George Bailey (Bedford Falls) on 24 Apr 2008, 10:09 a.m.,
in response to message #11 by Valentin Albillo

Quote:

    You're using a conditional (" If ") which depends on a compound condition being true. It isn't.
[/ul]


What? That's too much grammar for a simpleton like me. So I try it this way: How do you know that he knows?

Hidden features are - well - hidden to the public. So everyone who is not an insider (which Gene isn't as you tell us above) will not be told about'em...I guess ;-)

                                                
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #13 Posted by Gene Wright on 24 Apr 2008, 10:59 a.m.,
in response to message #12 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

Actually, I have found the hidden time functions quite useful. I also would never have thought that having a GPS in the HP 35s would be as neat as it really is. The 400X processor speed up when you generate the specific error of taking the log of the square root of negative PI is also quite helpful.

But, when it spoke to me and told me that I really did not want to approach the problem the way I was thinking about it, I was really amazed that they could cram so many hidden features in this little machine.

                                                      
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #14 Posted by Egan Ford on 24 Apr 2008, 11:16 a.m.,
in response to message #13 by Gene Wright

Quote:
But, when it spoke to me...
I asked mine to help with with SSMC20 C5 and it told me that would be cheating. How do I disable the ethics in my 35S?
                                                            
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #15 Posted by mike reed on 24 Apr 2008, 12:35 p.m.,
in response to message #14 by Egan Ford

Quote:

How do I disable the ethics in my 35S?


The three laws of robotics prevent this from being possible! LOL

                                                            
not Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #16 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 24 Apr 2008, 2:45 p.m.,
in response to message #14 by Egan Ford

Do you intend to post anything else, Egan ? I'm delaying posting my original solution just to give you enough time. Eamonn already gave up.

Best regards from V.

                                                                  
Re: not Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #17 Posted by Egan Ford on 24 Apr 2008, 2:53 p.m.,
in response to message #16 by Valentin Albillo

I've been working on it daily, but each day I get less and less time. I've already posted an incomplete solution. Right now I am more interested in learning the solution than finding it. Often its the journey that counts more than the destination. I've learned a lot on this one. But, I'm stuck with only finding prime indexes. The congruences of composite moduli are giving me problems. Perhaps there is another approach.

Edited: 24 Apr 2008, 2:57 p.m.

                                                                        
Re: not Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #18 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 24 Apr 2008, 7:01 p.m.,
in response to message #17 by Egan Ford

Hi, Egan:

    ¡ Oido cocina ! { i.e., "acknowledged" }

    Solution will be posted next Saturday. :-)

    Thanks for your considerable efforts and

Best regards from V.

                                                      
LOL !! Way to go ! :-) [NT]
Message #19 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 24 Apr 2008, 12:06 p.m.,
in response to message #13 by Gene Wright

Best regards from V.

                                                
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #20 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 24 Apr 2008, 12:03 p.m.,
in response to message #12 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

Hi again, George:

George, adamantly posted:

    "Hidden features are - well - hidden to the public."

      So far so good. Brilliant deduction.

    "So everyone who is not an insider (which Gene isn't as you tell us above) [...]"

      Please point out the exact quotation from my messages where I tell you that."

    "[...] will not be told about'em...I guess "

      Your logic is pretty faulty so you guess wrong. Conditional inferences don't seem to be your forte.

Best regards from V.
                                                      
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #21 Posted by George Bailey (Bedford Falls) on 24 Apr 2008, 12:54 p.m.,
in response to message #20 by Valentin Albillo

Quote:
"So everyone who is not an insider (which Gene isn't as you tell us above) [...]"

    Please point out the exact quotation from my messages where I tell you that."


Quote:
Gene's not a company, but an honest, fully knowledgeable individual.

I understood this to mean that...

Anyway, I didn't mean to start anything close to a logic war ;-)

                                                            
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #22 Posted by Gene Wright on 24 Apr 2008, 2:26 p.m.,
in response to message #21 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

And, George ... by the way, love the non de plume and Bedford Falls...

All I wanted to do was save you from the trouble and time chasing Windmills.

Nothing to find.

Trust me and save your time, or not and spend it fruitlessly. :-)

Gene

P.S. I also was trying to joke in the post about the crazy features in the 35s. It wasn't intended in any way as hurtful or sarcasm but to make everyone smile. :-)

                                                                  
SIGH OF RELIEF .... Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #23 Posted by Antoine M. Couëtte on 24 Apr 2008, 3:13 p.m.,
in response to message #22 by Gene Wright

Another logical / grammar war avoided !

:-)

Thanks anyway,

and Best Regards to you all !!!

Antoine

                                                                  
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #24 Posted by George Bailey (Bedford Falls) on 24 Apr 2008, 3:14 p.m.,
in response to message #22 by Gene Wright

Quote:
And, George ... by the way, love the non de plume and Bedford Falls...

It's not un nom de plume...consult the archives from last december...and fire up Google Earth to look for my Bedford Falls, Madison, IN, 47250 ;-) I was born in the place on the edge...with the two blue puddles...

Then go a little north to 38°46'34.31"N 85°22'6.54"W and have a look at what we did some time ago: can anybody do that on their 50G??? ;-)

Quote:
P.S. I also was trying to joke...

I know...I only got the feeling that Valentin was taking things a bit too serious. And as I said above: hidden might mean hidden even from you...

Edited: 24 Apr 2008, 3:21 p.m.

                                                                        
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #25 Posted by Gene Wright on 24 Apr 2008, 3:58 p.m.,
in response to message #24 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

Hidden from me? I'd have to consider whooping up on a certain Frenchman I know. :-)

                                                                        
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #26 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 24 Apr 2008, 6:55 p.m.,
in response to message #24 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

Hi oncemore, George:

George posted:

    "I only got the feeling that Valentin was taking things a bit too serious."

      The story of my life. Everyone takes everything I say at face value, literally, ... i.e. far too seriously ... save for my daughter, I can't get no respect from her, no sir. :-)

    "And as I said above: hidden might mean hidden even from you..."

      Gene won't bite and neither will I. Accept that there are no hidden functions or delude yourself into thinking that they might be hidden even from us. Your choice.

    Thanks for the baiting sessio ... civil conversation, and

Best regards from V.

                                                                              
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #27 Posted by George Bailey (Bedford Falls) on 25 Apr 2008, 12:54 a.m.,
in response to message #26 by Valentin Albillo

Quote:

    The story of my life. Everyone takes everything I say at face value, literally, ... i.e. far too seriously ...


Looking at your post No. 7 above I might be able to see why that is so ;-)

Cheers, George Bailey

                                                                                    
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #28 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 25 Apr 2008, 7:18 a.m.,
in response to message #27 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

Good morning, George:

George posted:

    "Looking at your post No. 7 above I might be able to see why that is so ;-)"

      Not exactly. You have to take into account that I'm neither a native English-language speaker nor a US resident, so every attempt at meaningful and accurate interpersonal communication has to take into consideration both the different culture and the language barrier. Perhaps things that are 'politically correct' and normal behavior in my culture actually aren't in yours, and perhaps I can't even accurately express in English such pretty innocent, colloquial expressions.

      Just for instance, what I wanted to say to Palmer I would express more or less this way in colloquial, everyday Spanish, as if talking to a close buddy:

        "Pero Palmer, tio, ¿ kes lo que no pillas de lo ke te ha dicho el Gene ? Si te ha dicho que nasti de plasti, pues eso es lo ke hay, tronko. ¿ O estas diciendo ke t'esta colando una milonga ? Gene no es una compañia, colega, sino un tio legal ke sabe de ke va el rollo. Si dice que nasti, pues nasti y punto, tio, no me seas fistro."

      That Spanish text accurately conveys the humoristic, close, well-meaning comment, but I'm unable to correctly translate it to English (nor can any automated software), and the best I can do is the more or less correct text #7 you saw above, which essentially says the same but without the humor, closeness, and general mood.

      So much for the language barrier. The culture barrier essentially means that the above Spanish text is perfectly acceptable and closely mimics actual verbal conversation between people informally sharing opinions on a forum about some common hobby, and would offend no one nor would it be specially unpolite or whatever. Perhaps even an extremely accurate English translation, slang and all, would nevertheless seem excessively casual because different cultures deem appropriate different degrees of formality when talking to other people. I know for sure that such an approach would seem extremely unpolite behavior in Japan, say, probably less so in UK, much less in Italy, and absolutely commonplace in Spain.

Best regards from V.

Edited: 25 Apr 2008, 9:20 a.m.

                                                                                          
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #29 Posted by Don Shepherd on 25 Apr 2008, 11:55 a.m.,
in response to message #28 by Valentin Albillo

Valentin, the English phrase "What part of 'no' don't you understand" would be seen as an insult to the average American, eliciting a defensive response, typically. It would be the same as saying "it appears you have an IQ of about 12," which would not be conducive to any kind of meaningful, professional dialogue.

Your command of the English language has always impressed me, and I am amazed that a non-native person could have acquired such a great understanding and usage of the English language. I wish that I had that ability.

So this is a phrase you probably will want to avoid.

                                                                                                
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #30 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 25 Apr 2008, 3:33 p.m.,
in response to message #29 by Don Shepherd

Hi, Don:

    Thanks for your appreciative comments, I'll certainly heed your advice.

Best regards from V.

                                                                                                      
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #31 Posted by Rodger Rosenbaum on 26 Apr 2008, 6:28 p.m.,
in response to message #30 by Valentin Albillo

I would offer another piece of advice.

In this thread:

http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/archv018.cgi?read=134906#134906

you said in a response to a post by Palmer:

"I take it that you're not trying to imply that I was lying when I stated that I have such a 7x7 program for the HP-67."

Palmer said in response, "I'm in a state of shock from what looks to me like an overreaction. When I recover I'll answer in detail."

And in the current thread, in a response to a post by Palmer, you said:

"Or are you implying Gene's purposefully lying to fellow fans ?"

Palmer said in response, "At this point I am no longer shocked by an overreaction. Try taking a deep breath."

It's clear that Palmer was "shocked" by what you said. I can tell you that the part that offended me, and probably Palmer, was what appeared to be a suggestion that Palmer might be implying that someone else was lying.

Calling someone a liar is an insult, and could even be fighting words here in America.

To me, even suggesting that one person is implying that another person is lying, is to suggest that the first person is insulting the second person.

If it were me, I would avoid even "wondering" if the poster to whom I was responding was implying that someone else was lying.

                                                                                                
"What part of 'no'..."
Message #32 Posted by Karl Schneider on 26 Apr 2008, 1:15 a.m.,
in response to message #29 by Don Shepherd

Valentin --

In the US, the phrase, "What part of 'no' don't you understand"... was popularized (even if it did not originate then) in a country-western song about 15 years ago about sexual harassment, and then incorporated into legal discussions thereof. The rhetorical question was aimed at men who make persistent and unwanted advances, even after being repeatedly rebuffed.

The expression quickly made its way into the lexicon as a "humorously-sarcastic" response a parent might make to a demanding child, or by any exasperated person to another who seems to believe that unrelenting pressure is the way to prevail. (It is kind of funny, actually: "Now, what part of 'no' don't you understand -- the 'n', or the 'o'?")

So, there's the modern context of the expression -- at least in the US. As Don said, it should ordinarily be avoided.

Best regards,

-- KS

Edited: 26 Apr 2008, 2:21 a.m.

                                                                                                      
Re: "What part of 'no'..."
Message #33 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 26 Apr 2008, 9:16 a.m.,
in response to message #32 by Karl Schneider

Hi, Karl !

    Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation of that phrase's etymology, a new fact learned ! :-)

    Rest assured that I've always found the phrase quite amusing, and as explained re my Spanish version, it would offend no one but would bring a smile instead.

    I'm sure it's a cultural thing: through my long experience visiting and participating in a number of fora and blogs and whatever, from refined "old calculator" ones to martial arts, I've noticed that, on average, US and UK people tend to be somewhat stiffer (i.e. "overly formal") and prone to get offended by quite trivial things or some innocent turn of phrase than Spanish people (from Spain, specifically, I'm not referring to so called 'latino' people who belong to utterly different cultures altogether), who tend to see more the fun side of everything. It must be the climate ! :-)

And to Palmer and his alleged 'shock' at my alleged 'overreactions' I'll only say: "I'm sorry, no 'shocking' effect was intended but merely humoristic", and "Relax, dude. Life's too short and at 80 you'd better avoid wasting time getting 'shocked' by colloquial verbal constructions, get over it !" :-)

Best regards from V.

                                                                                                            
Re: "What part of 'no'..."
Message #34 Posted by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr. on 29 Apr 2008, 10:09 p.m.,
in response to message #33 by Valentin Albillo

Valentin:

Quote:
And to Palmer and his alleged 'shock' at my alleged 'overreactions' I'll only say: "I'm sorry, no 'shocking' effect was intended but merely humoristic", and "Relax, dude. Life's too short and at 80 you'd better avoid wasting time getting 'shocked' by colloquial verbal constructions, get over it !" :-)

Contrary to some of the material in this thread it was NOT the "What part of no do you not understand?" comment that shocked me. At least Rodger understood in Message 31 where he recognized that comments about "implying that I was lying" can be offensive.

Since we are in the mode of giving advice on personal conduct I will offer some of my own. When you get the urge to make unsubstantiated speculations you might consider Archie Bunker's suggestion "Stifle yourself".

Palmer

                                                                                                                  
The last straw [OT]
Message #35 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 30 Apr 2008, 10:46 p.m.,
in response to message #34 by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr.

Palmer posted:

    "When you get the urge to make unsubstantiated speculations you might consider Archie Bunker's suggestion "Stifle yourself"."

      Listen, Palmer: I've explained time and again that my original intent was humoristic, as can be clearly seen in my Spanish-language original which regrettably doesn't translate well, and that any shocking effect was unintended and probably due to linguistic and cultural differences, Spanish people being probably more likely to see most everything lightly and from the fun side of things, in a most amiable, buddy-like mood, even with perfect strangers. Many people reading this thread found it actually funny, which was the idea.

      On top of that, I've apologized in a number of posts, and clearly stated that no disrespect was meant and that I was sorry if you felt offended, shocked, disturbed, or whatever, most specially taking into account your extremely advanced age which is a plus for earning my respect.

      Now, despite my efforts to make it all clear time and again, yet still you go with your imaginary "unsubstantiated speculations" and offensive implications and what not, and further you absolutely cross the line of mutual respect with that "Stifle yourself" you throw at me (talk about cultural differences !! Who the *** is this "Archie Bunker" guy !? Do you think anyone knows him here in Spain !? Would you understand a thing if I spouted a Mariano Ozores' phrase to you !?), which, after googling for its possible meanings (not wanting to make your exact mistake and get blinded by idioms or meanings or references I'm not familiar with) I've come to the conclusion that it's actually quite offensive and even insulting, and certainly fully disrespectful to me.

      That being so, I have only one further word to say to you, and this is the last communication you'll get from me in this world or in the next:

      "Keteden"

                                                                                                                        
Re: The last straw [OT]
Message #36 Posted by George Bailey (Bedford Falls) on 1 May 2008, 1:23 a.m.,
in response to message #35 by Valentin Albillo

Valentin said:

Quote:
Spanish people being probably more likely to see most everything lightly and from the fun side of things

Valentin, proove to us that you are truely Spanish...and lighten up again! My understanding of your and Palmer's postings is that both of you did not want to offend the other ... nor did both of you really do so!

I want to read Palmer's and your knowledgable postings in the future - so, please, no "last words"...

Edited: 1 May 2008, 1:59 a.m.

                                                                                                                        
Re: The last straw [OT]
Message #37 Posted by reth on 1 May 2008, 7:00 a.m.,
in response to message #35 by Valentin Albillo

Valentin, while I enjoy reading your posts about maths, programming etc, I've noticed you've been arrogant quite often and that's not because of the level of your English. I'm not a native English speaker myself and still can perfectly understand what's friendly, what's abusive, what's jokingly and what's neutral. This last post of yours is manifesting it once again.
Just my view on the issue cause I've got the feeling that many keep quiet not wanting to hurt you.
cheers, Reth

                                                                                          
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #38 Posted by George Bailey (Bedford Falls) on 25 Apr 2008, 4:29 p.m.,
in response to message #28 by Valentin Albillo

Quote:
(nor can any automated software)

Sure it can...have a look...ain't it perfectly understandable??? ;-)

Quote:
" But Palmer, uncle, kes what you do not pillage of ke has said you the Gene? If it has said that nasti to you of plasti, because that is ke has, tronko. Or these saying ke t' this straining one milonga? Gene is not a company, colleague, but a legal uncle ke knows of ke goes the roll. If it says that nasti, because nasti and point, uncle, you are not to me fistro."

Thanks, babelfish!

                                                                                                
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #39 Posted by Angel Martin on 26 Apr 2008, 2:43 a.m.,
in response to message #38 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

This is hilarious! :-) As a native Spanish speaker, but with some years of US residency on my back - thus supposedly being able to understand both cultures- I find this thread both humoristic and enlightening!

No automated translation SW will pass Valentin's text with flying colors, he's loading the dices quite a bit ;-O But he's right in the different appreciations of the apparently same texts or expressions from different cultures, or even different individuals from the same one.

Anyway, keep the spirit, this is great fun.

All the best, AM

                                                                                                
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #40 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 26 Apr 2008, 10:44 a.m.,
in response to message #38 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

Hi, George:

    "Sure it can...have a look...ain't it perfectly understandable???"

      Omigosh, yes, yes !! Rabidly crystal-clear and rigorously verbatim, if a little on the terse side but nonetheless elegant, fluid, and full of subtle nuances !

      Amazing !! :-)

Best regards from V.
                                                                                                
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #41 Posted by Walter B on 26 Apr 2008, 2:41 p.m.,
in response to message #38 by George Bailey (Bedford Falls)

Oooh, these automated translations are always fun :) BTW, what foreign languages do you learn at school in the USA? Spanish would be one good choice...

                                                                                                      
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #42 Posted by bill platt on 26 Apr 2008, 5:12 p.m.,
in response to message #41 by Walter B

You can learn any language you want.

There is no "standard" for second language and learning one is not universally compulsory. However in many communities a second language is now part of the elementary school curriculum.

Spanish is probably the most commonly taught second language in the US. I don't know if it has always been the case but certainly for decades this has been true.

French is probably the second most commonly offered language here. Next would be German, then probably Latin. It uncommon but nevertheless possible to see Italian offered.

Private schools and Catholic schools have there own ways. I'm speaking of public schools.

Hebrew schools teach Hebrew, Greek Orthodox schools teach Greek (ancient and modern) and Ukranian schools teach Ukranian... etc.

Edited: 26 Apr 2008, 5:14 p.m.

                                                                                          
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #43 Posted by Walter B on 26 Apr 2008, 2:49 p.m.,
in response to message #28 by Valentin Albillo

Buenas tardes, Valentin,

I read your Spanish text and must admit I'm far off from understanding everything, though I know the English translation as posted above. But I'm wondering since you used the letter "k" quite often where I would not expect it. Which part of Spain do you come from?

Cordialmente, Walter

                                                                                                
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #44 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 27 Apr 2008, 2:20 p.m.,
in response to message #43 by Walter B

Guten Abend, Walter !

Walter posted:

    "I'm wondering since you used the letter "k" quite often where I would not expect it."

      "Que" ("what", "that", "who", "which") and "ke" sound exactly the same (and I mean exactly) in Spanish, they're utterly indistinguishable, but using the "k" instead of the "qu" construction saves one step ... er, character, so people of all ages use it all the time when sending short text messages (SMS) over their cell phones, as "que" occurrences are quite common in casual conversation and the savings in time to key in the message and in message length are cumulatively quite substantial.

    "Which part of Spain do you come from ?"

      Castilla la Vieja ("Old Castleland")

Best regards from V.

                                                                  
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #45 Posted by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr. on 26 Apr 2008, 9:49 a.m.,
in response to message #22 by Gene Wright

Gene:

Quote:
Nothing to find.

Trust me and save your time, or not and spend it fruitlessly. :-)


But what about hidden functions that we already know about; for example, the so-called "tricky properties" associated with the statistics registers?

Palmer

                                                                        
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #46 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 26 Apr 2008, 11:46 a.m.,
in response to message #45 by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr.

Hi, Palmer:

Palmer posted:

    "But what about hidden functions that we already know about; for example, the so-called "tricky properties" associated with the statistics registers?"

      That wouldn't be "hidden functions" but "hidden functionality".

      In the context the original poster asked and Gene replied to, "hidden functions" was meant to be, if, for instance, you discovered that separately entering the letters C,M,P,L,X,S,Q,R,T, into an equation would give you an otherwise inaccessible CMPLXSQRT function that would accept a complex argument and return its complex square root, which the accessible SQRT function won't do. That would be a genuine "hidden function" and that was what the original poster, Slawomir Bucki, was suggesting it might be possible.

      Regrettably, it isn't. It's quite possible that there exists some "hidden functionalities", more properly called "unintended side effects" or "non-documented quirks", which can be bad (i.e., "bugs") or good, more probably the former. But as for genuine "hidden functions", a la Slawomir Bucki, no such luck, there are none.

Best regards from V.

                              
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #47 Posted by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr. on 24 Apr 2008, 9:45 p.m.,
in response to message #7 by Valentin Albillo

Valentin:

Quote:
What part of "no" don't you understand ? Or are you implying Gene's purposefully lying to fellow fans ? Gene's not a company, but an honest, fully knowledgeable individual. If he says "There are no hidden functions in the HP 35s" then there are no hidden functions in the HP 35s, period.

At this point I am no longer shocked by an overreaction. Try taking a deep breath.

Palmer

                                    
Re: Hidden functions on the HP-35S ???
Message #48 Posted by Valentin Albillo on 25 Apr 2008, 7:23 a.m.,
in response to message #47 by Palmer O. Hanson, Jr.

Hi, Palmer:

    Palmer, please, have a look at my messages #26 and #28 above in response to George Bailey.

    Hope they make it all clear. Respectfully,

Best regards from V.

Edited: 25 Apr 2008, 7:24 a.m.

      
Useful HP-35S errors (Was Hidden functions)
Message #49 Posted by Bill (Smithville, NJ) on 25 Apr 2008, 1:06 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Slawomir Bucki

I have been reading this thread with some amusement. What if we replaced "Hidden Functions" with "Useful Errors". By this I mean: are there rom code errors in the HP-35S that might create usefull results? We already know that the rom code for the 35S is not perfect. Please refer to HP-35s bug list.

Items 4, 5, 6 and 9 (and probally some of the others) are errors in the rom code.

So - are there other rom code errors that might create, as a side effect, useful results?

Has anyone dis-assembled the rom code and studied it?

While there may be "NO Hidden Functions", there may well be undiscovered rom code errors that might prove useful.

Of couse, maybe ALL rom code errors have already been discovered.

Bill

Edited: 25 Apr 2008, 1:37 p.m.

            
Re: Useful HP-35S errors (Was Hidden functions)
Message #50 Posted by Katie Wasserman on 25 Apr 2008, 1:48 p.m.,
in response to message #49 by Bill (Smithville, NJ)

But there is at least one hidden function that was discussed here, using STO in the solver


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