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HP35s is back Message #1 Posted by KoenDV on 2 July 2007, 4:46 p.m. http://www.calculators-hp.com/ mentions the new models for july 2007: the HP10s and the HP35s. Just thought you'd like to know. regards, koen

Re: HP35s is back Message #2 Posted by Dave Shaffer (Arizona) on 2 July 2007, 5:50 p.m., in response to message #1 by KoenDV Yeah, and among other things, it says most of them (HP calculators) are equipped with the "HP single seizure system'! Hope I don't get sick using my new calculator!!!!! (There must be a translation deficiency here!)

Re: HP35s is back Message #3 Posted by Howard Owen on 2 July 2007, 6:40 p.m., in response to message #2 by Dave Shaffer (Arizona) Quote: Hope I don't get sick using my new calculator!!!!! No, no, you don't get it. HP has a single seizure input system as opposed to TI's (and Sharp's, and Casio's) multiple seizure input system. I know which one I'd prefer. 8) Regards, Howard

Re: HP Single Seizure System Message #4 Posted by Paul Brogger on 3 July 2007, 11:53 a.m., in response to message #3 by Howard Owen I'd prefer HP's too -- unless their single seizure is so named because of its "terminal mode" feature. Edited: 3 July 2007, 1:50 p.m.

Re: HP35s is back Message #5 Posted by DaveJ on 2 July 2007, 6:37 p.m., in response to message #1 by KoenDV I just noticed that the new 10s has an ever-so-slight chevron shape to the bottom keys. Dave.

Re: HP35s is back Message #6 Posted by Bruce Bergman on 3 July 2007, 1:22 a.m., in response to message #5 by DaveJ I wonder if that's an artifact of the photo or something. I say that because -- to me -- it doesn't look so much chevron shaped as kind of just poorly aligned. Like how my pictures look when I freehand them. ;-) I can't imagine it to be that, but it also seems strange to have just the last two rows be chevron shaped. Weird.

Re: HP35s is back Message #7 Posted by Eric Smith on 3 July 2007, 3:29 a.m., in response to message #6 by Bruce Bergman I'm pretty sure he's right, that the bottom four rows of keys of the calculator in the photo are deliberately laid out on a slight curve, with the middle keys closer to the bottom of the calculator. While I have been quite vocal in my criticism of the 33s key layout, the slight nonlinearity in the 10s in the photo wouldn't bother me at all. The lack of RPN, on the other hand, does keep me from having much interest in the 10s. On the other hand, I expect to buy at least two HP 35s calculators, and quite possibly more. It will probably become my main everyday calculator, at least until the calculators Richard Ottosen and I are developing reach a more advanced stage. (I expect that we will have some stuff to show off at HHC 2007.)

Re: HP35s is back Message #8 Posted by DaveJ on 3 July 2007, 4:08 a.m., in response to message #6 by Bruce Bergman Quote: I wonder if that's an artifact of the photo or something. I say that because -- to me -- it doesn't look so much chevron shaped as kind of just poorly aligned. Like how my pictures look when I freehand them. ;-) I can't imagine it to be that, but it also seems strange to have just the last two rows be chevron shaped. The bottom 4 rows are chevron shaped, it is clearly deliberate and very symmetrical. Very easy to see in the big photo on the PDF, and still visible on the smaller photos (including the angled one) in the PDF. Dave.

Re: HP10s Message #9 Posted by Paul Brogger on 3 July 2007, 1:25 p.m., in response to message #5 by DaveJ Superficially, the 10s reminds me of the SSC-200, a calculator briefly offered by Target stores quite a while ago. The shape and two-line display had me convinced I'd uncovered another case of HP re-badging, but a closer look leads me to doubt that. (Or, to put it more precisely, I now doubt that the SSC-200 is the calc that has been re-badged -- I've little doubt that the 10s is simply old wine in a new bottle.)

Re: HP35s is back Message #10 Posted by Howard Owen on 2 July 2007, 6:52 p.m., in response to message #1 by KoenDV It's the identical brochure. (Md5sums match.) Regards, Howard

Re: HP35s is back Message #11 Posted by Walter B on 2 July 2007, 6:53 p.m., in response to message #1 by KoenDV Hey, and the "detailed data sheet" is back again, too. However, to me it seems to be unchanged (i.e. same keyboard, same meaningless reference to cube roots). Anyway, there are only 28 days left in July, so the real thing must appear in this interval now :-)

Re: HP35s is back Message #12 Posted by Howard Owen on 2 July 2007, 7:00 p.m., in response to message #11 by Walter B No manual yet, darn it. Regards Howard

Re: HP35s is back Message #13 Posted by Ralph on 3 July 2007, 7:56 a.m., in response to message #12 by Howard Owen The 35s is official. It is on the HP website proper. HP 35s

Re: HP35s is back Message #14 Posted by DaveJ on 3 July 2007, 8:55 a.m., in response to message #13 by Ralph Substantially more in price than the 33S, $59.99 vs $39.99. Dave.

Re: HP35s is back Message #15 Posted by Les Wright on 3 July 2007, 5:10 p.m., in response to message #14 by DaveJ I think the 33s price has been cut $10 in anticipation of discontinuation. I always thought the MSRP was $49.99. If the 35s incorporates the strengths of the 33s and extends its capabilities, it will be easily worth the extra 10 or 20 bucks. Les

Re: HP35s is back Message #16 Posted by DaveJ on 3 July 2007, 7:50 p.m., in response to message #15 by Les Wright Quote: If the 35s incorporates the strengths of the 33s and extends its capabilities, it will be easily worth the extra 10 or 20 bucks. Bugger that, it simply looks better! :) Dave.

Re: HP35s is back Message #17 Posted by Seth Morabito on 3 July 2007, 6:19 p.m., in response to message #14 by DaveJ The 33s was $49.99 when I bought mine, so they must have discounted it a bit in preparation for the 35s. I think $60 is a very fair price for a high-quality scientific calculator, assuming that the 35s really is higher quality than HP has been putting out in the last five years or so. Here's hoping!! Edited: 3 July 2007, 6:20 p.m.

Re: HP35s -- I tried ordering by phone . . . Message #18 Posted by Paul Brogger on 3 July 2007, 11:59 a.m., in response to message #13 by Ralph FYI, I figured I'd try to order by phone. The salesperson said the calculator won't be available any sooner by phone than via online, and (FWIW) that they usually put up the Coming Soon announcements "two or three weeks" ahead of actual product release. (Not that I'm especially eager to buy one . . . )

Re: HP35s -- I tried ordering by phone . . . Message #19 Posted by gene wright on 3 July 2007, 2:48 p.m., in response to message #18 by Paul Brogger Why aren't you eager? Or did I miss a smiley in there?

Re: HP35s -- I tried ordering by phone . . . Message #20 Posted by Paul Brogger on 3 July 2007, 5:23 p.m., in response to message #19 by gene wright The smiley would have made it too obvious. :~) (BTW, it there a "Mona Lisa" smiley? That is, an ambiguous smiley?)

Re: HP35s is back Message #21 Posted by Dan M (Vermont, USA) on 3 July 2007, 8:26 a.m., in response to message #1 by KoenDV Well, OK. I'll buy one eventually, but I'd feel better about it if the web page at http://www.calculators-hp.com/35s.html wasn't entitled "hp 33s". Not that I'm complaining or anything, but a little Quality Control often goes a long way. happy calculating, dan ETA: That QC road is a long one. The picture of the "hp30s" at... http://www.calculators-hp.com/30s.html is labelled as "9s". Whatever. I'm not going to buy either of those anyway. Sloppiness wasn't always a hallmark of HP, but perhaps it is now. I do charge HP itself with enforcing its own Quality Standards with its choice of "official HP partners." Edited: 3 July 2007, 9:01 a.m.

Re: HP35s is back Message #22 Posted by Antonio Maschio (Italy) on 3 July 2007, 10:49 a.m., in response to message #21 by Dan M (Vermont, USA) Well, I just checked, and the title is "hp 35s". Maybe they're looking at this Forum? -- Antonio

Re: HP35s is back Message #23 Posted by Chan Tran on 3 July 2007, 10:53 a.m., in response to message #22 by Antonio Maschio (Italy) For sixty bucks, I think I am going to get one when they are available.

Re: HP35s is back Message #24 Posted by Wayne Brown on 4 July 2007, 1:12 a.m., in response to message #23 by Chan Tran Quote: For sixty bucks, I think I am going to get one when they are available. I'd pay twice that for one without those cursor keys. But at least HP finally seems to be moving back in the right direction, so maybe the next model -- or the one after that -- will be something I could accept.

Re: HP35s is back Message #25 Posted by Chan Tran on 5 July 2007, 7:43 a.m., in response to message #24 by Wayne Brown It would have been better withoug the cursor key. It would have been better it it has 35 keys like the original. It would have been better to have only the function on the original 35 but then I don't think that would happen. So I would settle for the 35s at $60. At least that's one HP calc (or one calc of any brand) I want to buy in a long time.

Re: HP35s is back Message #26 Posted by Wayne Brown on 5 July 2007, 11:02 p.m., in response to message #25 by Chan Tran Quote: At least that's one HP calc (or one calc of any brand) I want to buy in a long time. It's the closest HP has come in a long time to making anything I'd want to own, but it's not quite close enough.

Re: HP35s is back Message #27 Posted by Seth Morabito on 6 July 2007, 3:00 a.m., in response to message #26 by Wayne Brown What is your favorite HP, and/or what do you use as a "daily calculator", curiously?

Re: HP35s is back Message #28 Posted by Wayne Brown on 6 July 2007, 7:23 a.m., in response to message #27 by Seth Morabito I use my HP48GX daily; but most of the time I use it more as a personal organizer (appointment calendar, to-do list, phone directory, etc.) than as a calculator. For programming, I like my HP-41CX more than anything else. (I love playing around with synthetic programming, and that was my primary reason for buying the 41 in the first place.) But my absolute favorite is my HP-16C, because it's so elegant, and unique; plus it was the first HP calculator I ever bought.

Re: HP35s is back Message #29 Posted by Seth Morabito on 6 July 2007, 1:50 p.m., in response to message #28 by Wayne Brown Nostalgia is a big factor for me as well. My 48SX was the first HP I ever owned, and a gift as well. It's still my favorite as a result. I was aware of the 41 series, but I never owned one when they were new. I recently picked up a 41C from eBay, since it was relatively inexpensive. I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival in the mail.

Re: HP35s is back Message #30 Posted by Wayne Brown on 6 July 2007, 2:50 p.m., in response to message #29 by Seth Morabito Quote: I was aware of the 41 series, but I never owned one when they were new. I recently picked up a 41C from eBay, since it was relatively inexpensive. I'm eagerly awaiting its arrival in the mail. My first 41 (an HP-41CV) was purchased through one of the classified ads here at the Museum, back around 1998 or 1999 (nearly ten years after they were out of production). The things written about it here at the Museum were what motivated me to buy one. I liked it so well that I soon bought a 41CX from eBay and gave my 41CV to my son.

Re: HP35s is back Message #31 Posted by Chan Tran on 6 July 2007, 3:06 p.m., in response to message #30 by Wayne Brown My daily use calculator believe it or not is the HP48GX emulator running on my PC's. My favorite calculator is the 41. My first calculator is the 25. Broke it and got a 34C for 1 week. Returned the 34C and get the 41C (but still lusting after the 97) and then time module, card reader, printer, want.. Lost the 41C and get a 41CV I still have still today. Bought a 32E, a couple of 11C to give away as gifts. Next calculator was the 28C and didn't like it. I gave it away to my sister. Got the 48SX and 48GX when they came out. Got 6 41CX blank nuts like new at surplus store. Gave away 3 and sold 2. Still have 1. Saw the 97 on the desk of the chief engineer at a company that I did some contract work for. I asked him to let me know when he wants to get rid of it. Two year later he called saying that he is retiring and give me the 97. I use the 97 when I want to have a printer calculator, i.e. totaling tax or credit card bill or balancing check book. I use the 41 for light duty scientific calculations. I use the 48's when I need a programable portable device.

Re: HP35s is back Message #32 Posted by Antonio Maschio (Italy) on 6 July 2007, 11:25 a.m., in response to message #27 by Seth Morabito Undoubtedly, my favorite is my HP-15C; but, to save it some usage, I use a HP-12C as a daily calculator, alternatively with my HP-32SII for scientific calculus. At home, I like playing around with my HP-49g or my Casio fx-7700GB. I own more than 70 calculators, by now, and so I could add: I like playing around with anyone of them! -- Antonio

Re: HP35s is back Message #33 Posted by Maximilian Hohmann on 6 July 2007, 3:09 p.m., in response to message #27 by Seth Morabito Hello! Quote: What is your favorite HP, and/or what do you use as a "daily calculator", curiously? I think I answered this question over ten times already, but I don't mind answering another 100 times :-) My favorite hp calculator has always been the hp-25. It is just so cute and it glows in the dark and it can do everything I really need a calculator to do for me. My most often "daily used" calculator is either the "Calculator Application" of my Apple PowerBook (in RPN mode of course!) or my "ASA CX-1 Pathfinder". Greetings, Max

Re: HP35s is back Message #34 Posted by Trent Moseley on 6 July 2007, 10:48 p.m., in response to message #33 by Maximilian Hohmann Of course! My first was a 25C. Such a love! It still works today as the day I bought it on April 10, 1978. Just hold it in your hand and look at those beautiful red LED's! tm

Re: HP35s is back Message #35 Posted by Trent Moseley on 7 July 2007, 12:35 a.m., in response to message #34 by Trent Moseley More on the 25C. And it's a good traveler too. I took it to Kenya in 1980 to view a total eclipse of the sun where it was used for last minute timings. tm

Re: HP35s is back Message #36 Posted by Walter B on 7 July 2007, 2:58 a.m., in response to message #35 by Trent Moseley Trent, all, You'll find quite some more lovers of the 25C here! As mentioned earlier several times (but <10), it was my first calc love, too. The Woodstock design still is most appealing to me. Such a beauty! If the 25C only had L.R., I had kept it - so I had to sell it some years later to replace it by an 11C. But I got a 25C again some years ago right when I started my modest collection :-) Best regards, Walter

Re: HP35s is back Message #37 Posted by Chris Haltiner on 3 July 2007, 11:11 a.m., in response to message #1 by KoenDV I noticed the CPU (SPLB31A) is missing from the HP 35s specifications PDF, but not from the specifications PDF on the calculators-hp.com site--interesting omission.

Re: HP35s is back Message #38 Posted by Andrés C. Rodríguez on 3 July 2007, 8:28 p.m., in response to message #37 by Chris Haltiner Brochure size? US Letter pages are shorter that European A4s... so someone needed to delete some lines from the European version. (Not seriously)

Re: HP35s is back Message #39 Posted by Walter B on 3 July 2007, 11:54 p.m., in response to message #37 by Chris Haltiner By experience I expect a considerably higher resale price in Europe. Since transport costs aren't that high, there must be a quality CPU for Europe and a cheaper one for the USA. ;-)

Re: HP35s is back Message #40 Posted by Patrick Colbeck on 4 July 2007, 3:57 a.m., in response to message #39 by Walter B Yes a HP-33S is £55 over here in the UK ie about $110 at the current exchange rate !

Re: HP35s is back Message #41 Posted by Antonio Maschio (Italy) on 4 July 2007, 5:01 a.m., in response to message #39 by Walter B Do you really think HP CPUs in the EU market have a higher quality than those sold in the US market? -- Antonio

Re: HP35s is back Message #42 Posted by Walter B on 4 July 2007, 5:07 a.m., in response to message #41 by Antonio Maschio (Italy) Antonio, please check the last 3 letters of my post.

Re: HP35s is back Message #43 Posted by Antonio Maschio (Italy) on 4 July 2007, 12:21 p.m., in response to message #42 by Walter B Ah! :-( Well, I suppose I was only hoping it to be true! -- Antonio

Re: HP35s is back Message #44 Posted by gene wright on 4 July 2007, 11:46 a.m., in response to message #39 by Walter B Remember, Eric Rechlin has been selling HP calculators in the past and shipping around the world. Might be cheaper than buying locally at inflated prices. www.hpcalc.org

Re: HP35s is back / What will it cost outside of the USA? Message #45 Posted by Walter B on 4 July 2007, 6:37 p.m., in response to message #44 by gene wright Thanks, Gene, for pointing this out. I will check this site as soon as sales will start. BTW, is there a retail price difference for HP calcs between Canada and the USA? Or is it just the exchange rate?

Re: HP35s is back / What will it cost outside of the USA? Message #46 Posted by Gerson W. Barbosa on 4 July 2007, 6:54 p.m., in response to message #45 by Walter B Walter, Anoter option might be Samson Cables. My HP-50g, HP-33s and HP-12C Platinum were purchased there. I was very pleased with their service: very fast order processing and shipping abroad. Probably I will order one HP-35s, when it's listed. Best regards, Gerson.

Re: HP35s is back / What will it cost outside of the USA? Message #47 Posted by Les Wright on 5 July 2007, 1:13 a.m., in response to message #45 by Walter B With the Canadian dollar rising against the US dollar, I expect the MRSP to be disproportionately higher than usual. For example check this out. The York U bookstore is named on the HP Canada calculator page as the only official reseller of the complete calculator line. But look at the prices!!! $230CDN for a 50G!!!! Even at 80 cents US on the dollar (as things were a year ago) that is overpriced. At 90 cents, the state of affairs today, that is just plain nuts, over $200US. Outrageous when you think US buyers are finding them now for about 125US. I suspect York U will carry the 35S and that it will be disproportionately overpriced as well. Techcommint on eBay is based in Oakville, Ontario. Larry's prices are much more reasonable, and he carries the full HP line as soon as they are available. He may or may not charge shipping, given the situation, but will charge GST within Canada and GST and PST within Ontario. So that sort of stings. I recommend buying directly from him rather than thru the eBay store--he seems to have more flexibility in pricing that way. When all is said, it may prove cheaper in the long run for Canadians to order from Eric Rechlin and pay shipping and Customs. I think the new 35S is going to be somewhat more costly for Canadians than Americans, and particularly pricey for Europeans and our friends in Australia and South America. But putting this in perspective--if it turns out to be a great calculator, I won't miss $100CDN or so one bit. Les

Re: HP35s is back / What will it cost outside of the USA? Message #48 Posted by Walter B on 5 July 2007, 1:39 a.m., in response to message #47 by Les Wright Thanks, all, so far. I'll be on a business trip to Canada next month and just thought I might save some bucks buying my 35s there instead of here in Europe. But it seems to be more favourable to use one of the sources you mentioned in the net. Apparently HP makes a BIG fraction of its earnings outside of the USA :-? For my simple brain, letting some containers go from China to e.g. Australia can't be such more expensive than to California. Well, they won't make me start collecting financial calcs :-(

Re: HP35s is back / What will it cost outside of the USA? Message #49 Posted by Chan Tran on 5 July 2007, 7:40 a.m., in response to message #48 by Walter B The shipping cost never is the reason for prices. If it was then they wouldn't make them in China in the first place.

Re: HP35s is back / What will it cost outside of the USA? Message #50 Posted by DaveJ on 5 July 2007, 8:06 a.m., in response to message #49 by Chan Tran Lots of companies have different pricing structures for different regions on all sorts of products, and exports are strictly controlled to the benefit of various local sales divisions, distributors and other middle men etc. It's got nothing to do with the exchange rate or postage. GPS receivers for instance are one classic example, there is the "US price" and the "rest of the world price", so everyone just buys though eBay or direct mail order from those US shops who turn a blind eye ;-) Dave.

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