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HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #1 Posted by DieCommie on 13 Mar 2007, 4:10 p.m. Hello, I have purchased the HP50g and am liking it so far. However, I find the manual and online references lacking in particular areas. For example... 1) How do I load a program into the calculator and then access it? I am able to use Conn4x and connect to my calculator. But then all I get is a list of files and a folder of more files. The particular program I want to load is a periodic table. I dont know where to put the file, nor do I know how to access it once in the calculator. The readme for the program says this 2.1 Installing -------------- a) send either chemlb27.lib(full) or chemlt27.lib(light) to the HP48 b) put a copy of the library on the stack c) enter the port number to store the library (0-33 GX, 0-2 SX) d) here is an example of the stack setup so far: -------------------------- 4: 3: 2: Library 1014: CHE... 1: 0 | | | | | | | e) at this point, press [STO] f) perform a warmstart with [ON][C] or turn on and off the HP48 g) erase the variable containing the library. eg. 'CHEMLB27.LIB' PURGE h) read the next section for the Universal Font Library (UFL) requirements For part a, I dont know where exactly I need to send it. Part b, what does that mean, 'put a library in the stack'? I am pretty much lost after that... 2)Any tips on how to do symbolic integration? The integral button seems to only do definite integrals. I am having a feeling that this calculator is not good at doing symbolic calculus.... 3)Finally if you have any tips/tricks or useful programs for the calculator pleases share! I want to learn how to use this thing real well over spring break.

Re: HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #2 Posted by James M. Prange (Michigan) on 13 Mar 2007, 10:34 p.m., in response to message #1 by DieCommie First off, if you use a "binary" transfer, then the compiled object has to be compatible with the 49 series. In general, compiled 48 series commands, and compiled 48 series programs, lists, and libraries that contain UserRPL or SysRPL commands, lack binary compatibility with the 49 series, because the entry points for many commands have changed. If it shows up on the 50g as a character string starting with "HPHP48-x" (where "x" is a ROM version letter), then you used a binary transfer of a 48 series object and the 49 series safely stores it within a character string instead of as a compiled object. It's sometimes possible to fool the calculator into treating the object as compatible, but that may very well result in a TTRM (Try To Recover memory?) and clearing user memory. In most cases, 48 series UserRPL objects can be transferred to the 49 series and will work, but you have to use an "ASCII" or "Text" transfer so that the calculator will compile the source code. At worst, with this type of transfer, you may get an "Invalid Syntax" error. From your post, it appears that you're trying to install a library designed for the 48 series, which you shouldn't even try to install in a 49 series. Look in http://www.hpcalc.org/ for libraries specifically designed for the 49 series. For a port of the 48SX's HP Solve Equation Library Library Application Card (HP 82211B), except for the Tetris game, that works with the 49 series, see http://www.hydrix.com/Download/Hp/4950Libraries/ or http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/english.html. For the Equation Library, install libraries 226 and 227, or for the Periodic Table, install library 229. The Owner's Manuals for this card are available on the MoHPC CD-ROM set / DVD-ROM; see http://www.hpmuseum.org/cd/cddesc.htm, or some documention for it is available in the 48G series and 49 series documents. For a "program", just leave it in home or whichever sub-directory you transferred it to, or copy or move it to any sub-directory or any of ports 1, 2, or 3, and execute it from there. For a "library", if you used a "via wire" or "via IR" transfer, then move it to any of ports 0, 1, or 2 (but not 3). Don't leave a copy of the library in the home directory (or any sub-directory) because its presence in "user memory" will interfere with the memory recovery routine in case you respond YES to a TTRM. If you used an MMC or SD card to transfer the library to the 50g, then it's okay to just transfer it to port 0, 1, or 2, leaving a copy of the file on the card (port 3). With the 49 series, it may be easiest to use the "filer" (press LeftShift FILES, over the G key) to move or copy the variable or file. Invoke a warmstart by holding down the ON key, pressing and releasing the C key, and releasing the ON key. Most libraries have a configuration routine that auto-attaches them to the home directory, and it will be invoked by the warmstart. If a library isn't auto-attaching, then get in whichever directory you want it to be attached to, put the library number on the stack and execute the ATTACH command. You can also use the DETACH command to (what else?) detach a library. In a few cases (such as the Equation Libraries and Periodic Table library) the library will be attached even without doing a warmstart or an explicit ATTACH command. In some cases, once attached, the library will be available by pressing the APPS key on the 49 series, otherwise press RightShift LIB (over the 2 key) to see the library names in the menu, and press the library's menu key to see its user commands. In the event of a buggy library (or reserved variable STARTUP) "hanging" the 49 series, hold down the backspace key while doing a warmstart. This prevents the library configuations routines and STARTUP from running, giving you an opportunity to purge the buggy library or edit or purge STARTUP. By the way, in most cases, for RPL models, you'll have better luck with the comp.sys.hp48 usenet group. A searchable archive (going back all the way to 1991) is available at http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.hp48. If you can't find an answer to your question, then ask on the newsgroup. Regards James

Re: HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #3 Posted by Bruce Bergman on 14 Mar 2007, 12:07 a.m., in response to message #2 by James M. Prange (Michigan) I swear I'm going to start calling you the "50g Guru", James. :-) You always have the most thorough answers on any 50g topic I've ever seen in this forum. Great job! I just wanted to add my $0.02 about 48 libraries. I found some stats software I wanted to use on the 50g and decided to take a chance that it might work. Not only did it fail to work, but it also locked up my calculator so badly that I thought I had trashed it. I eventually got it back (again, thanks to your help James), but that taught me a lesson that I hope never to repeat. My $0.02 anyhow. thanks, bruce

Re: HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #4 Posted by DieCommie on 14 Mar 2007, 12:27 a.m., in response to message #2 by James M. Prange (Michigan) Thank you very much for your thorough answer. Unfortunately much of it seems lost on me... I have no experience with programming. I dont know what is meant by UserRPL, SysRPL, binary transfer, libraries, strings etc. But I do want to learn! First off I think my program is for HP 50G (or 49). I got it from http://www.hpcalc.org/. It is under chemistry, ChemLab 2.7. Is this a library or a program? What is the difference between a library and a program? You say for a program I can leave it any directory. But what do you mean "or any of ports 1, 2, or 3, and execute it from there."? What are these ports and how could I execute it from them? ----Lookin in calculator---- Ok, I just looked in my calculator using Conn4x. I have ChemLab under the home directory and it appears to be a library. So I hit the LIB key and get the choices of 0 , 1 and 2. I am guessing these are ports? Under 0 and 1 there is no choice. But under 2 there are two choices, 226 and 227. I dont think either of these are my ChemLab. Regardless, I try to use one by clicking on it but all it does is put it in the stack. ??

Re: HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #5 Posted by Clear, Simple, How To Do It on 14 Mar 2007, 5:02 a.m., in response to message #4 by DieCommie Chemlab 2.7 is a library. You've managed to download it to your calculator. Good, here's how to install and use it: 1) After downloading, you'll see the variable "Chem..." or "L1014" in the list of variables. In RPN mode, press the small button under that variable. You'll now see on stack level 1: "Library 1014: ChemLab 2.7..." 2) Now type :2: 1014 STO - this stores the library in the flash memory of port 2. 3) Now type :2: 1014 ATTACH - this attaches the library so you can actually use it. 4) To access/use the library, do RIGHT SHIFT, LIB and you'll see ChemL. Press that buttom, then the button under CHEM, and you get the periodic table you're after. Storing and using other libraries uses the same process, only the library numbers are different. 5) Now that the library is actually stored, you don't need the original stored variable anymore. Press the key under the variable. Again you'll see on stack level 1: "Libray 1014, Chemlab..." Type PURGE, and it's gone, you're done. For symbolic integration: 1) To get it right the first time, use the equation writer, RIGHT SHIFT, EQW to write your function, as a simple example, 'x^2-1'. You can use other variables if you wish, such as y or t. 2) ENTER the function onto the stack level 1. Then ENTER the variable of integration, which here is the variable of the function, x. You'll now see the function on stack level 2, the variable on stack level 1. 3) Simply type the RISCH command (which can be assigned to KEYS, another topic), which integrates to a specified variable. You will now see '1/3*x^3-x' The constant of integration is omitted. Enjoy your HP50! Edited: 14 Mar 2007, 5:08 a.m.

Re: HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #6 Posted by Giancarlo (Italy) on 14 Mar 2007, 6:08 a.m., in response to message #4 by DieCommie Hi DieCommie. You may find helpful to have alook at the following: > how to install programs and libraries: http://www.hpcalc.org/install.php > tutorials http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/docs/misc/hptute.zip Various Quick tutorials for the HP49x series of calculators. Broken up into 5 sections, ranging from getting started for new users (flags, data entry etc), to basic macros with user RPL and customizing menus and the keyboard. In HTML, lots of screenshots (with both the 49G and G+). By Alistair Borowski http://www.hpcalc.org/hp49/docs/misc/20essentialthings49.zip 20 Essential Things to Know About the HP-49G: A guide for the hopelessly confused! That about sums it up! =) This is designed answer many common questions, and to teach new users a bunch of neat tricks that makes thier calculator easier to use. Also points to documents that will help them out. By Tim Wessman http://h20331.www2.hp.com/Hpsub/downloads/hp50gPDFfiles.zip All available training modules for the HP 50g graphing calculator. (.zip, 9.64MB) from HP calculator website http://www.quickclose.com.au/tut.htm HP 48 & 49 Programming Tutorials Hope this helps (to feed your learning eagerness :) Best regards. Giancarlo

Re: HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #7 Posted by James M. Prange (Michigan) on 16 Mar 2007, 4:03 p.m., in response to message #4 by DieCommie Quote: Thank you very much for your thorough answer. Unfortunately much of it seems lost on me... I have no experience with programming. I dont know what is meant by UserRPL, SysRPL, binary transfer, libraries, strings etc. But I do want to learn! Then it seems to me that you have a bit of catching up to do. Do learn to do at least some UserRPL programming for your 50g; it makes using the calculator a lot faster and easier, at least for repeating a task frequently or repeating a lengthy or "complicated" task even once. Of course see the printed "User's manual" that came with your 50g, but I expect that the "user's guide" that's on the accompanying CD-ROM will be more helpful. Also be sure to download and use the hp 49g+/ hp 48gII graphing calculator advanced user's reference manual. The differences from the 49g+ to the 50g is that the 50g has a higher battery voltage (4 AAA cells instead of 3) and that the 50g adds a "serial" (but not RS-232 compatible) external I/O port; for transfers or printing "via wire", system flag -78 is clear for the USB port or set for the serial port. Also see the "training modules" available at HP's site. Besides this link, hpcalc.org, and the comp.sys.hp48 newsgroup, other helpful links include The HP Knowledge Base, Wolfgang's site, Carsten's HP page, and http://m.webring.com/hub?ring=hp48. For a deeper understanding of RPL, see Bill Wickes's Insights books, or if you're already familiar with "Classic RPN", then first see his HP 48/HP 41 Transitions book, all available on the MoHPC CD-ROM set / DVD-ROM. In general, each new version of RPL, from the 28S through the 49 series, is a superset of the previous RPL language. The older documentation, particularly for the 28 series and 48SX/S, is often better written than the documentation for the newer models. Don't ignore information just because it's written for an older model; it often applies to a newer model too. Quote: First off I think my program is for HP 50G (or 49). I got it from http://www.hpcalc.org/. It is under chemistry, ChemLab 2.7. Sorry, from your original post, you seemed to have instructions for installing it on a 48 series, so I assumed that you were trying to install a library intended for them. It seems that the developer ported his 48 series library to work on the 49 series, but didn't bother to update its documentation. I see that hpcalc.org has two separate entries for ChemLab 2.7; if you haven't suceeded in installing this yet, be sure that the downloaded file is named chemlb27_49.zip, not chemlb27.zip. The library does seem to work in the 49g+ and 50g, but apparently was developed for the 49G, so only 64 (instead of 80) pixel rows are used for the graphical display. In case you still haven't gotten it working, here's a method of installing it on the 49 series: Unzip the downloaded chemlb27_49.zip file. Use Conn4x to download the file ChemLab.HP to the calculator's home directory, where it will be stored as a global variable named ChemLab (the menu label will show just ChemL). Press LeftShift FILES (over the G key). With Home highlighted, press CursorRight. With ChemLab highlighted, press the menu key for MOVE (the C key). Press the CursorUp key once or twice to highlight 2:Flash (or 1:ERAM or 0:IRAM). Press the menu key for OK (the F key), or press the ENTER key. Press CANCEL (the ON key) to exit the filer. Hold down the ON key, press and release the C key, and release the ON key to invoke a warmstart, which configures and attaches this library. To use this library, press RightShift LIB (over the 2 key), press the menu key under the label ChemL (press the NXT key if it's not on the first menu page), then press the menu key for whichever command you want to use. I do realize that I'm leaving many of your questions unanswered, but I expect that, with a little research, you'll easily find at least most of the answers yourself. Regards, James

Re: HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #8 Posted by DieCommie on 17 Mar 2007, 1:59 a.m., in response to message #7 by James M. Prange (Michigan) Thank you all. I did get the program installed, its good. I have also visited many of the links and done some cool stuff. I have learned about RISCH and INTVX as promoted by the posts above. I am wondering what the difference is between them. I know INTVX automatically assumes a variable of X, but is that the only difference? Do they use different algorithms? Are there certain functions that are better integrated by the one or the other? Anyway, thx again. I learned alot over spring break about this calc, but alas the break ends and I go back to classes. I will however likely be back come summer, see you all then.

Re: HP 50g - Loading Programs, Symbolic Calculus Message #9 Posted by Answer And More Links on 17 Mar 2007, 11:06 a.m., in response to message #8 by DieCommie The advantage of using the RISCH command over INTVX is RISCH integrates with respect to any variable, INTVX just to the variable in VX. Supposedly RISCH uses a partial implementation of the Risch integration algorithm used, but there doesn't seem to be any difference in answers returned by the two commands. A nice explanation of the HP49 (which are the same on the 50) CAS commands was done by Prof. Renee deGraeve. The top of the page is in French, but the document is in English: http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:_N18IQonm2IJ:www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/degraeve/cas49_1.pdf+Renee+deGraeve&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us A two-volume book series on using the HP49 was written by Prof. Gilberto Urroz. Here is the link for volume two, scroll to the bottom of the page to buy both together, recommended: http://www.amazon.com/Science-Engineering-Mathematics-differential-statistics/dp/1588980448/ref=sr_1_6/002-3476684-9613639?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174143817&sr=1-6

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