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Hudendai Message #1 Posted by ebaycalcnut on 14 Oct 2006, 8:39 p.m. There's this seller Hudendai who seems to buy things high and then sell them like coburlin. Anyone figure this guy out?

Re: Hudendai Message #2 Posted by Han on 14 Oct 2006, 8:53 p.m., in response to message #1 by ebaycalcnut I'm guessing he's probably part of: http://www.enterhp.com/ This is just a guess based on the following ad: http://www.hpmuseum.org/cgi-sys/cgiwrap/hpmuseum/adforum.cgi?read=15612

Re: Hudendai Message #3 Posted by Jonathan Eisch on 15 Oct 2006, 1:46 a.m., in response to message #2 by Han He explicitly says so at the bottom of his "inspection procedure" pdf: http://enterhp.com/docs/HP48GX_TI_procedure.pdf -Jonathan

I vouch for Hudendai Message #4 Posted by Namir on 15 Oct 2006, 6:22 a.m., in response to message #1 by ebaycalcnut He is Allen T. of northern VA. I buy calculators and manuals from him. He is very helpful, honest, and friendly. I buy from him items that fit my own budget. He is prompt in delivery (we both live in VA). All items I received from are as described in his auctions. Allen usually offers many items at any time. He has his pricing scheme. Folks are welcome to buy what they like and feel is suitable for their budgets. I do that myself with Allen as well as many other fine eBay sellers. On one occasion, I had just bought an HP-11C from anther eBay seller and promptly paid for it. Allen quickly emailed me to warn me about that auction. He had bought (and later on returned) that very same HP11C which had a faulty digit 7 key. I wrote to the seller who denied the faulty key and said the machine was working as stated in the auction text. Guess what folks????? I never got that HP11C!!!!!! Allen was right about that seller not being on the level. I appreciate his vigilance--going the extra mile when he did not have to. Hudendai is NOT another Cobubba!!!! Namir Edited: 16 Oct 2006, 5:12 a.m. after one or more responses were posted

Re: I vouch for Hudendai Message #5 Posted by nick558 on 15 Oct 2006, 8:45 a.m., in response to message #4 by Namir I totally agree with you Namir. Hudendai is a good guy and very honest seller!! He actually also helped me with his advices against buying an HP-48G calculator that I have bought on ebay. In my case, I was able to get a refund from the seller.

Re: I vouch for Hudendai Message #6 Posted by Namir on 15 Oct 2006, 10:30 a.m., in response to message #5 by nick558 Hi Nick, I am working with PayPal to get my refund. Cheers, Namir

He is NOTHING like "coburlin" Message #7 Posted by Mike on 15 Oct 2006, 10:32 a.m., in response to message #1 by ebaycalcnut I have bought and sold to him. He is an honest person. He is nothing like coburlin. The items he sells at high prices are worth the prices he sells at. Unlike "coburlin" who tries to sell $50 items for $500. . Edited: 15 Oct 2006, 10:32 a.m.

Re: He is NOTHING like "coburlin" Message #8 Posted by Bruce Bergman on 18 Oct 2006, 9:58 a.m., in response to message #7 by Mike I had to laugh this morning when eBay told me about a found item: a 25C for $475.00. "What??! That's really high!" I thought, but decided to check it out anyhow. The description said a couple of the keys were glitchy, some of the labels worn off, a name scratched on the side of the calc and some icky stuff on the display. Now completely confused at the high price, I check the seller, and it is no less than "colburlin" himself. Apparently up to the same tricks. (sigh) thanks, bruce

Hudendai : Excellent item and service from him. Message #9 Posted by Etienne Victoria on 15 Oct 2006, 1:20 p.m., in response to message #1 by ebaycalcnut Hi all, I have just purchased an Hp Digest in absolute excellent condition from hudendai: Here it is. Service was very fast and postage very reasonable. To sum things up: no problem and very good experience. Etienne

Re: Hudendai : Excellent item and service from him. Message #10 Posted by Han on 15 Oct 2006, 1:26 p.m., in response to message #9 by Etienne Victoria Just for the record, I have no ill will toward Hudendai nor do I think he does anything "shady." In fact, I have seen some of his items sell for extremely low prices. For example: this great condition manual at a really low price You just have to know your budget when you buy from anyone online. At least with Hudendai you get to see every inch of detail with his hi-res photos.

Re: Hudendai Message #11 Posted by Allen on 16 Oct 2006, 2:27 a.m., in response to message #1 by ebaycalcnut ebaycalcnut, I used to write algorithms to submit to Joe Horn while he was compiling his Goodies Disk, I think one of my PMUL programs for polynomials is floating around somewhere out there. I remember the good old days with the funet archive and before that the modem bulletin boards with HP programs. After a brief absense, I returned to the hobby of HP calculators in late 2005. In part because a body stole my 32sii and because I was selling my beloved HP48GX due to a shortage of money. Within a few minutes YOU-KNOW-WHO wanted a buy-now price, so I did my research and found his ebay history. I concurrently found some interesting entries on this forum and decided that it mign't be a bad goal to put this guy out of business, and I have done just that. Based on feedback records, he sold ~100 items in 2005, I have kept him below 40 in 2006, and and only 8 in the past three months!!. In the same three months time, I have had over 200 happy customers, many of whom are return buyers who know what they want and are tired of being outbid. My buyers are more than content, I had to establish http://www.enterhp.com due to high demand from repeat buyers. I couldn't afford the ebay fees so now I can have a mechanism to deal directly with clients- and have the same high-quality items. I know I have fair prices because I continously monitor bidding that I am not involved in to guage ' fair market ' value. I intend to sell things on the first listing, and I generally do. (although occassionally I'll get something unfamiliar and might list it high to guage interest.) I am paid for my time, but it is funding a HP calculator collection that I would not have had access to otherwise. In my free time, I submit things to the curator of this museum to further the collective knowledge. I have a 42S EE solutions book that will likely be included on the next version of HPMUSEUM DVD's. As Namir and Nick and Mike above have kindly said in my defense, I do go out of my way to help those I can. I send spare parts for free to folks I know, I provide technical support and training to surveyors on the phone- at my expense, I help folks learn more about HP calculators, and I have improved the quality of HP48's available on ebay through my guides and inspection procedure. I am not just buying and reselling, HP calculators are one of my few passions in life- only now I have found a way to fund it. Anyone who is called a nerd by fellow engineers because he loves HP calculators has earned his stripes hasn't he?? Should anyone else want to 'figure me out' or chat, or verify the validity of this message, send me an email at any of these addresses: a.tiger<at>cox.net hudendai<at>cox.net info<at>enterhp.com questions<at>enterhp.com Warmest Regards, Allen p.s. I originally sold my 48GX not because of MY shortage of money, but I had learned that some staff at the Alabama School for the Deaf had some unmet financial needs. I sold my entire personal collection and some of my household items to meet their needs. Having just bought a house and had a child myself, the experience of trusting in God for my provision last winter while we helped those in greater need tought me a lot about what Faith and Love really mean. I think Joe Horn would be more proud of that than any of the algorithms I sent him. Some nice pictures for you. You wont find these kind of pictures on YOU-KNOW-WHO's listings. When you buy from me you know exactly what you are getting. [img:http://www.enterhp.com/images/compare45ad.jpg ]

Re: Hudendai Message #12 Posted by Howard Owen on 24 Oct 2006, 6:17 p.m., in response to message #11 by Allen Gorgeous machines, Alan! The thing that ticks me off about Cobubba is the indifferent quality he hocks for well over premium prices. If those photos truly represent your stock, then you are indeed delivering value for a fair price! Regards, Howard

Re: Hudendai Message #13 Posted by e.young on 16 Oct 2006, 1:06 p.m., in response to message #1 by ebaycalcnut If you feel his prices are too high then don't buy, nobody has a gun to your head.

Re: Hudendai Message #14 Posted by shocker on 23 Oct 2006, 12:58 p.m., in response to message #13 by e.young I will disagree on the ethics displayed by Hudendai with the following example: On October 22, Hudendai somehow orchestrated that the seller Dasentinel would end all 8 of his eBay listings current at the time to sell to Hudendai at prices far below typical prices. All 8 auctions were ended early in a 10 minute period. If the link at the bottom does not work, do a search on eBay for completed items by seller Dasentinel. How does an HP 12C for $9.09 sound (eBay item 280040443445)? Would you end an auction early? Or an HP 48G for $15.50 (280040423890)? What about an HP 41CX in "Almost New Condition" for $76 (280040414130)? In all 3 cases, Hudendai entered his bid IMMEDIATELY before the auction was cancelled. There is clear evidence of this shenanigan being prearranged for all 8 auctions. Sure, the seller (who appears to be new) is also part of this, but since Hudendai is a respected member of the HP community, who wants to buy from him, knowing he circumvents the eBay process, which attempts to put everyone on a level playing field? http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&from=R10&satitle=&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&sadis=200&fpos=20008&fis=2&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&seller=1&sass=dasentinel&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search

Re: Hudendai Message #15 Posted by W. on 24 Oct 2006, 2:39 a.m., in response to message #14 by shocker This isn't against ebay rules, and I must say I've offered sellers a certain amount to buy something immediately to avoid encountering someone who puts in an enormous bid amount. In those cases though, I have offered the seller an amount above market value. If there have been bids on an item, this would be unacceptable and when selling I've received offers occasionaly to sell directly and declined when there had been bids. I agreed on just one, and that guy (a collector hollandflower IIRC) ended up selling my item on ebay a few weeks later. I only sold it to him because he was a collector and my item was rare. I will not do so again. Buying up purely to resell on the same market place is uncool unless the seller offers something extra, say selling tested/completed (from buying up loose stuff etc.) stuff instead of untested/incomplete stuff. With the auctions referred to, testing/fixing doesn't appear to be a real issue though. Note that the final selling amounts are almost certainly not the real selling amounts, the real amount is probably some other much higher value for the lot so those 9$ / 15$ / 76$ don't mean anything, it was just the amount for which the buyer was the high bidder so the seller could "sell to the highest bidder at the current price". This ebay option is ridiculous if you think about it (the price can only go up, so why would any seller sell to the high bidder at the current price? This really implies ebay knows these tactics go on and wants to cash in on sales as much as possible). Note also that fairness is something ebay is not concerned about. Consider the bid retractions which are frowned upon, yet sellers can stop any amount of auctions (esp. bad when there have been bids on an auction) without mention of this on their feedback page. There are other people doing similar things of buying up HP stuff, You'll see them reselling the same stuff a short while later at a big price increase without adding value. There are people from germany, netherlands, usa and portugal doing this that I know of. I don't like this as it usually provides no service to anyone. We can all bid on this stuff too, no need for some intermediate person to hike up prices. Also, this makes me unwilling to sell my stuff at low prices, as people might buy up stuff I sell, then resell for a much higher Buy-it-now. Getting stuff from one type of market place to another one may consider to be a service worth paying for (e.g. local garage sale where it might end up being thrown away to ebay for international selling). One can go on... The only way to avoid useless middlemen is to make buying/selling even more transparent (e.g.: with a sales page ebay could post not just similar items the seller has for sale, but similar items a seller has bought in the past year ;-))

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