HP Forum Archive 15

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New hp device Message #1 Posted by Zaff on 9 Mar 2006, 10:26 a.m. Hi, a new patent from HP a new graphical calculator http://tinyurl.com/zhqxb PDF description: http://tinyurl.com/k5jaz

Re: New hp device Message #2 Posted by Vassilis Prevelakis on 9 Mar 2006, 11:15 a.m., in response to message #1 by Zaff this is exactly what I have been looking for all these years. I hope that the keyboard construction is good (this is usually the biggest problem with similar devices) and that the screen is touch sensitive (like Palm PDAs where you do not have to use the stylus) If this one is like the other recent HP calcs where you can load your own OS, then, I'd simply get rid of all the graphical stuff and load an HP-41 emulator instead 1/2 :-) Enough of dreaming though. Remember that simply applying for a patent does not mean that HP is even thinking about releasing such a product. Look at Xpander, it was killed far far further down the road. Finally I liked very much the claim that it'll have a one page manual! (what no 900 page AUG on CDROM?) **vp

Re: New hp device Message #3 Posted by Arnaud Amiel on 9 Mar 2006, 11:25 a.m., in response to message #2 by Vassilis Prevelakis Note that this is for a very basic calculator, the hp CYRI would be algebraic, have 8kB RAM and there is no mention of on the calc programmability in the manual. Having 128k storage and maybe a port seem to imply that you could load some programs though. It looks like a perfect calc for high school. Arnaud

Re: New hp device Message #4 Posted by Wayne Brown on 9 Mar 2006, 11:41 a.m., in response to message #1 by Zaff Yuk. Not as ugly as some other recent HP offerings, unless they choose one of their typically horrible color schemes. But it still lacks a double-sized ENTER key. And a one-page instruction manual?! Those two items alone make it a non-starter as far as I'm concerned.

Re: New hp device Message #5 Posted by Matt Kernal (US) on 9 Mar 2006, 1:08 p.m., in response to message #1 by Zaff A new device named "CYRI" and the Inventor named "Cyrille" de Brebisson? What are the chances?!?! The stars must be aligned, if I were him I'd be buying lottery tickets. j/k <8^) Cyrille really is a great guy. I was lucky enough to meet him and JYA a few years ago at the two HandHeld conferences held up here in the pacific northwest. I got a slightly odd look when we shook hands, as my name sounded almost similar to their own "Meta Kernel" that they had incorporated into the new 49G's operating system. I guess that would have been a good time for me to buy lottery tickets!! :-) As it turned out, all the attendees were given new 49G calculators, complete with firmware version 1.05. Matt

Re: New hp device Message #6 Posted by Tim Wessman on 9 Mar 2006, 1:50 p.m., in response to message #1 by Zaff I am not sure how "new" it is considering th patent is over a year old. TW

Re: New hp device Message #7 Posted by Richard Garner on 9 Mar 2006, 2:39 p.m., in response to message #6 by Tim Wessman I know from several friends that have gone through the patent process, that a patent search can take as long as 5 years to make sure that someone else hasn't already patented the same thing. That is why you see the PATENT PENDING statement on some things.

Re: New hp device Message #8 Posted by Howard Owen on 9 Mar 2006, 4:59 p.m., in response to message #1 by Zaff So the "invention" here is a minimalist keyboard and manual, implying radical simplicity in design and use. It's not my cup of tea, complexity junkie that I am, but I must say the idea strikes me as a marketplace winner. I believe that HP surrendered control of the scientific calculator market when they made the switch to RPL. The increased complexity of those models, particularly when compared to the easier to use TIs of the day, condemned them to niche status. I know I'm, um, over-simplifying a, er, complex issue with this analysis. But I still believe something along the lines of this machine could steal significant share from TI in the high-school market, if not at the universities. TI hasn't done much innovation in their user interface in quite a while. The complacency of a secure market leader can be the best hope of a would-be usurper. It would also be amusing to see a behemoth like today's HP play the role of the agile upstart, or start-up or something like that. 8) Regard, Howard

Re: New hp device Message #9 Posted by Jan on 10 Mar 2006, 9:38 a.m., in response to message #1 by Zaff If only it had RPN, at least as an option!

. . . or, Message #10 Posted by Paul Brogger on 10 Mar 2006, 2:06 p.m., in response to message #9 by Jan . . . if it's flash-upgradeable and they'll provide an SDK (like the TI graphing calcs have). THAT would harness The Power of The Geeks(tm). (At least, some of the power of some of them.) Edited: 10 Mar 2006, 2:06 p.m.

Re: New hp device Message #11 Posted by John Ioannidis on 22 Mar 2006, 2:07 p.m., in response to message #1 by Zaff The patent was filed in August 2003. It has not been granted yet, what you see is an application publication. If they were intending to release the device, they would already have done so. Personally, I hope my stash of RPN devices will last me for the rest of my life. There is no need to buy a new device, esp. one that does not have a double-width ENTER^ key.

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