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Why does the 35 have blank keys?
Message #1 Posted by Arnaud Amiel on 25 May 2005, 2:30 p.m.

I am wondering the reason why the early hp35 have blank keys. The only reasonable though I had was that until the last moment they didn't know which functions would be implemented and thus could not design the keys. I am sure however someone will have a better answer.

Thanks

Arnaud

      
1972 - certainly no standard yet
Message #2 Posted by Gene on 25 May 2005, 2:47 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Arnaud Amiel

Remember how early this was. :-)

My SR-16-II in 1976 had blank keys.

Injection moulded keys eventually became the standard, but 1972 was very early.

      
Re: Why does the 35 have blank keys?
Message #3 Posted by Dave Shaffer on 25 May 2005, 3:03 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Arnaud Amiel

Arnaud,

Your guess might be pretty close.

Shortly after the '35 appeared, I was part of a group of grad students at Caltech that had lunch with Bernard Oliver (VP of HP at that time), and of course the hot topic of conversation was the new calculator, which we all lusted after but couldn't afford (it cost about two months of a grad student's stipend at that time!).

One of the questions concered how the functions were chosen. Oliver said that there had been a bread-board calculator attached to a computer, and that HP engineers (of all types, I guess) were invited to create a "button" for whatever function(s) they wanted/needed, the functionality of which would then be implemented in the attached computer.

After enough folks had picked functions, their choices were basically treated as votes for the most-useful functions.

So, it may have been that they didn't know what functions would actually be included until almost production time.

      
Re: Why does the 35 have blank keys?
Message #4 Posted by David Smith on 25 May 2005, 3:28 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Arnaud Amiel

A keyboard silkscreen costs a few bucks to make and can do a lot of calculators. A set of injection molds costs over $100,000.

            
Re: Why does the 35 have blank keys?
Message #5 Posted by John Limpert on 25 May 2005, 9:50 p.m.,
in response to message #4 by David Smith

Why are the molds so expensive? I thought that you could download a file from a CAD program and get just about anything machined at a reasonable cost.

                  
Re: Why does the 35 have blank keys?
Message #6 Posted by Frank Boehm on 26 May 2005, 5:45 a.m.,
in response to message #5 by John Limpert

quote "Why are the molds so expensive? I thought that you could download a file from a CAD program and get just about anything machined at a reasonable cost."

Well, we are talking about 1971 (this is when the calculator was designed) - I assume they did the molds mostly by hand then. And double-shot molds are not exactly easy stuff. Plus you have to remember: the 35 was not intended to be a mass-produced item, using blank keys was much cheaper.

Btw. I have a prototype 45 with engraved keys - so they finalized the design before creating the molds (which probably means, the molds were still expensive then...)

      
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Message #7 Posted by deleted on 25 May 2005, 6:07 p.m.,
in response to message #1 by Arnaud Amiel

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Some articles by HP-35 designers team in HP Journal
Message #8 Posted by GWB on 2 June 2005, 11:16 p.m.,
in response to message #7 by deleted

Take a look at the article by Edward T. Liljenwall, industrial designer of the HP-35, in HP Journal Jun 1972, pages 12-13. (There you can also find two articles by HP-35 hardware and software designers):

http://hp41.claughan.com/DVD/HP%20Journal/HP%20Journal%201972%20Jun.pdf

Edited: 4 June 2005, 9:01 a.m. after one or more responses were posted

                  
Thanks
Message #9 Posted by Arnaud Amiel on 3 June 2005, 5:08 a.m.,
in response to message #8 by GWB

Very interesting indeed.

Arnaud


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